Kennedy vs. Engelstad Foundation: GF herald feature

[Milford torgerson]

  On 5/12/2018 at 1:02 AM, Cratter said:

Wonder why they never did that then? 

Same with completing IPF phase two?

Same with a new on campus football stadium instead of waiting for the city to build them one (Alerus).

All of UND's major sports are playing in a nice facility because someone or something other than the University stepped up to the plate.

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That’s kinda the only way to get it done in this state.  The legislature has the other methods in such a stranglehold.

[UNDvince97-01]

  On 5/12/2018 at 4:12 AM, bincitysioux said:

I have to say I really want to be a Kennedy supporter.  Given his business and political background, I hoped he might be a breath of fresh air compared to most typical University presidents.  

But now given his disasterous decision to move UND sports to the SumValley, coupled with the fact that he is apparently alienating the University's largest benefactor, me thinks this guy might be completely inept and needs to go away.

Whether or not everything McGarry says is true, it is obvious she is pissed off, and the relationship is weak at best.

Funny that Kennedy doesn't flat out deny saying the things McGarry has alleged.  Only that he doesn't "recall" saying most of them.........

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Hey listen, everyone knows your disdain for the Summit/MVFC decision....

But the fact of the matter remains that it was the best business decision for UND to leave the Big Sky for the Summit/MVFC. Especially given the current budget climate.

Given all the variables, ANY smart business person worth a $h!t would have done the same thing.  

[Csonked Out]

  On 5/12/2018 at 5:56 AM, Big Lubowski said:

If he did that, he would be calling McGarry a liar. I suspect he wanted to avoid doing that.

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exactly. Everyone has an agenda when they run to the media. We don't know what has happened behind closed doors, but I highly doubt she is being 100% open and honest.

This is a woman who pulled a 14 million donation because she didn't like that the school wanted to change it's president. The fact that she holds UND by it's manhood with donation funds makes me very uncomfortable. Nothing in life is free and the contract for the Ralph proves that.

[CarpeRemote]

  On 5/10/2018 at 4:08 AM, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

Maybe the Engelstads have outlived their usefulness. A one-trick (albeit a big one) pony with perpetual sour grapes about the Sioux. Maybe they're insufferable, which is why the negotiations went south?

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“Usefulness”?

Think back on your life about someone who did something for you they didn’t have to and it changed everything.

Thank you Englestads 

 

[darell1976]

  On 5/12/2018 at 4:54 PM, CarpeRemote said:

“Usefulness”?

Think back on your life about someone who did something for you they didn’t have to and it changed everything.

Thank you Englestads 

 

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I would call what Ralph did usefulness but it seems like a spoiled kid, with a lot of power, holding a university hostage for her own personal gain. After all UND is not her Alma mater so why should she care as long as the money is flowing her way. The whole reneging on the UNLV med school is painting her (not Ralph, not Betty, but Kris) is a whole new light.

[Csonked Out]

  On 5/12/2018 at 4:59 PM, darell1976 said:

I wouldn’t call what Ralph did usefulness but it seems like a spoiled kid, with a lot of power, holding a university hostage for her own personal gain. After all UND is not her Alma mater so why should she care as long as the money is flowing her way. The whole reneging on the UNLV med school is painting her (not Ralph, not Betty, but Kris) is a whole new light.

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apparently UNLV is her alma mater and she pulled that crap. I don't trust her at all.

[Cratter]

  On 5/12/2018 at 4:59 PM, darell1976 said:

She care as long as the money is flowing her way. 

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Here we go away with she's taking home profits from the Ralph Engelstad Arena? 

Her job, more or less, is to give money away.

[Csonked Out]

  On 5/12/2018 at 5:27 PM, Cratter said:

Here we go away with she's taking home profits from the Ralph Engelstad Arena? 

Her job, more or less, is to give money away.

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She hasn't been giving away money lately and money is flowing in. Where it is going is the question, and it is a valid question.

[darell1976]

  On 5/12/2018 at 5:27 PM, Cratter said:

Here we go away with she's taking home profits from the Ralph Engelstad Arena? 

Her job, more or less, is to give money away.

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She didn’t do a good job of that at UNLV did she?

[Cratter]

  On 5/12/2018 at 5:34 PM, darell1976 said:

She didn’t do a good job of that at UNLV did she?

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I wouldn't give money to someone I dislike either. Not groundbreaking stuff.

[Cratter]

  On 5/12/2018 at 5:33 PM, Csonked Out said:

She hasn't been giving away money lately.

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You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

She and her foundation a few months ago gave away another $3 million in Grand Forks.

[darell1976]

  On 5/12/2018 at 5:36 PM, Cratter said:

I wouldn't give money to someone I dislike either. Not groundbreaking stuff.

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So holding schools hostage with their donations seems to be an unfavorable pattern. 

[darell1976]

  On 5/12/2018 at 5:39 PM, Cratter said:

You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

She and her foundation a few months ago gave away another $3 million in Grand Forks.

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https://www.wday.com/news/education/4443817-i-want-see-him-do-his-job-kris-engelstad-mcgarry-describes-hostile

Regardless, that flow of money came to an abrupt stop when Kennedy took office in 2016, which Carlson Zink said marked the conclusion of the Engelstad pledge.

For that year, the family foundation gave only $20,000 to the UND alumni group. In that same year, the foundation gave $37,000 to the club hockey program at the University of Nevada Las Vegas. Financial reports for 2017 aren't yet available.

 

 

 

[Oxbow6]

  On 5/12/2018 at 5:40 PM, darell1976 said:

So holding schools hostage with their donations seems to be an unfavorable pattern. 

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Got it Mr. Jung Un.

[Csonked Out]

  On 5/12/2018 at 5:39 PM, Cratter said:

You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

She and her foundation a few months ago gave away another $3 million in Grand Forks.

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I'm talking about gifts to UND

[Oxbow6]

  On 5/12/2018 at 5:43 PM, darell1976 said:

https://www.wday.com/news/education/4443817-i-want-see-him-do-his-job-kris-engelstad-mcgarry-describes-hostile

Regardless, that flow of money came to an abrupt stop when Kennedy took office in 2016, which Carlson Zink said marked the conclusion of the Engelstad pledge.

For that year, the family foundation gave only $20,000 to the UND alumni group. In that same year, the foundation gave $37,000 to the club hockey program at the University of Nevada Las Vegas. Financial reports for 2017 aren't yet available.

 

 

 

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Always easy to spend someone else's money........

[SIOUXFAN97]

  On 5/12/2018 at 4:54 PM, CarpeRemote said:

“Usefulness”?

Think back on your life about someone who did something for you they didn’t have to and it changed everything.

Thank you RALPH!

 

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FIXED

[darell1976]

  On 5/12/2018 at 5:46 PM, Oxbow6 said:

Always easy to spend someone else's money........

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Yep, spending money for football sales, something they shouldn’t have their hands on. 

[Oxbow6]

Sensing a theme here recently........ attitude of ungratefulness for the dollars given in the past by the Foundation yet there's a hostage crisis on our university now because the Foundation hasn't given enough lately. Did I miss anything else?

[Oxbow6]

  On 5/12/2018 at 5:48 PM, darell1976 said:

Yep, spending money for football sales, something they shouldn’t have their hands on. 

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Not disagreeing but if they take thousands yet give back millions is UND still losing and being held hostage? Not good at math but more zeros trump less zeros.

[Cratter]

  On 5/12/2018 at 5:50 PM, Oxbow6 said:

Sensing a theme here recently........ 

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The theme is the board of directors at UND/REA is secretly funneling all the profits from the building to the Engelstad Foundation without any of them noticing and them using that money to redonate it later to UND, organizations in Grand Forks, and other places throughout the country! 

[darell1976]

  On 5/12/2018 at 5:50 PM, Oxbow6 said:

Sensing a theme here recently........ attitude of ungratefulness for the dollars given in the past by the Foundation yet there's a hostage crisis on our university now because the Foundation hasn't given enough lately. Did I miss anything else?

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The attitude of what is happening in May of 2018 has nothing to do with happened almost 20 years ago. The two are not connected, as Ralph and ONLY Ralph helped the hockey program with HIS donation, how is Kris McGarry helping the school by running to the GFH and bashing Kennedy without proof. As of now it’s a he said, she said, but her action at UNLV speaks a lot.

[Csonked Out]

  On 5/12/2018 at 5:50 PM, Oxbow6 said:

Sensing a theme here recently........ attitude of ungratefulness for the dollars given in the past by the Foundation yet there's a hostage crisis on our university now because the Foundation hasn't given enough lately. Did I miss anything else?

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it has nothing to do with ungratefulness, but the gift wasn't without a price. The bottom line is they have a lease agreement with us that is very one sided. The Ralph was gifted to benefit the University, yet here we are losing millions in revenue annually to the foundation and that money isn't coming back to UND as originally planned. Lease agreements matter to a university and the lack of state funding is making it a problem. 

[darell1976]

  On 5/12/2018 at 5:52 PM, Oxbow6 said:

Not disagreeing but if they take thousands yet give back millions is UND still losing and being held hostage? Not good at math but more zeros trump less zeros.

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Seeing as they donated $20,000 in 2016, and give football sales back to either UND or the city, I don’t think the school will be hurting.

[Oxbow6]

 

  On 5/12/2018 at 5:53 PM, Cratter said:

The theme is the board of directors at UND/REA is secretly funneling all the profits from the building to the Engelstad Foundation without any of them noticing and them using that money to redonate it later to UND, organizations in Grand Forks, and other places throughout the country! 

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#hostagecrisis