fightingsioux4life Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 15 hours ago, geaux_sioux said: Not sure what your getting at. The school commits to the kid with hundreds of hours of coaching and life lessons and thousands of dollars towards education room and board and full cost of attendence. If the kid ends up being a bust then they move down the depth chart and usually aren't given a spot for fall camp. It's the harsh reality of college athletics. But if a head coach wants to jump ship and go to another school, there are ZERO consequences for that person. Where is "the harsh reality of college athletics" for disloyal coaches? I think if a coach abandons a program, the players should have the opportunity to transfer to another school without penalty. Quote
iluvdebbies Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said: But if a head coach wants to jump ship and go to another school, there are ZERO consequences for that person. Where is "the harsh reality of college athletics" for disloyal coaches? I think if a coach abandons a program, the players should have the opportunity to transfer to another school without penalty. Yeah that wouldn't open a huge can of worms. Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted January 4, 2017 Author Posted January 4, 2017 1 minute ago, iluvdebbies said: Yeah that wouldn't open a huge can of worms. What "can of worms"? If a coach suddenly abandons a program, a program kids have committed to based in part on who the head coach is, why should the players be stuck with a situation they had ZERO responsibility in creating? Commitment should be a two-way street; otherwise, it is pure hypocrisy. Quote
iluvdebbies Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 Just now, fightingsioux4life said: What "can of worms"? If a coach suddenly abandons a program, a program kids have committed to based in part on who the head coach is, why should the players be stuck with a situation they had ZERO responsibility in creating? Commitment should be a two-way street; otherwise, it is pure hypocrisy. The coach leaves and takes his players with him. 1 Quote
geaux_sioux Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 19 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said: But if a head coach wants to jump ship and go to another school, there are ZERO consequences for that person. Where is "the harsh reality of college athletics" for disloyal coaches? I think if a coach abandons a program, the players should have the opportunity to transfer to another school without penalty. Coaches get fired when they don't perform. Harsh reality. Quote
geaux_sioux Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said: What "can of worms"? If a coach suddenly abandons a program, a program kids have committed to based in part on who the head coach is, why should the players be stuck with a situation they had ZERO responsibility in creating? Commitment should be a two-way street; otherwise, it is pure hypocrisy. How is it different than moving up the ladder in any other field? Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted January 4, 2017 Author Posted January 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: How is it different than moving up the ladder in any other field? Because when players transfer, they are forced to sit out a year. When an employee leaves one company for another, they don't have to sit out a year. You can pretend those two things are the same, but they are not. Quote
Teeder11 Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said: Because when players transfer, they are forced to sit out a year. When an employee leaves one company for another, they don't have to sit out a year. You can pretend those two things are the same, but they are not. Not always the case.... J.J. doesn't have to sit this year, Clive played right away, Braden Hanson hit the field fight away for UND, and so did many other FBS drop downs. Quote
geaux_sioux Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said: Because when players transfer, they are forced to sit out a year. When an employee leaves one company for another, they don't have to sit out a year. You can pretend those two things are the same, but they are not. That's why they always say a player should commit to a university, not a coach. I was making the comparison of coaches and executives. It's pretty similar. Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted January 4, 2017 Author Posted January 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Teeder11 said: Not always the case.... J.J. doesn't have to sit this year, Clive played right away, Braden Hanson hit the field fight away for UND, and so did many other FBS drop downs. JJ and Braden Hanson dropped down a division (FBS to FCS), so they were immediately eligible. But if you are going from FBS to FBS, then you have to sit out. Quote
Teeder11 Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said: JJ and Braden Hanson dropped down a division (FBS to FCS), so they were immediately eligible. But if you are going from FBS to FBS, then you have to sit out. Oh really? Thanks, Sherlock. Just implying your example isn't apples to apples. Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted January 4, 2017 Author Posted January 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Teeder11 said: Oh really? Thanks, Sherlock. Just saying your example isn't apples to apples. And your example was not what I was getting at. Quote
geaux_sioux Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 Altru will help you pay for school if you sign a five year contract. Sound familiar? Quote
Teeder11 Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said: And your example was not what I was getting at. You should take a step back and think before you post all half cocked... free country and all, but ...just a thought. Take care and have a great day! Quote
Popular Post BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted January 5, 2017 Popular Post Posted January 5, 2017 9 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said: What "can of worms"? If a coach suddenly abandons a program, a program kids have committed to based in part on who the head coach is, why should the players be stuck with a situation they had ZERO responsibility in creating? Commitment should be a two-way street; otherwise, it is pure hypocrisy. If my boss quits, what do I do? If I'm boss and my help quits, what do I do? If I go to a MBB game and the coach quits, I clap! 5 Quote
Redneksioux Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 Non competes usually are in-enforceable. In ND they are actually illegal if I understand correctly. Quote
tnt Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 18 hours ago, iluvdebbies said: Yeah that wouldn't open a huge can of worms. So programs that are on the upswing and have potential for a National title would be recruiting players behind the scenes to join them because that will really put them over the top. The player wouldn't have to wait, so no problem going for a National Championship right away. 2 Quote
iluvdebbies Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, tnt said: So programs that are on the upswing and have potential for a National title would be recruiting players behind the scenes to join them because that will really put them over the top. The player wouldn't have to wait, so no problem going for a National Championship right away. #canofworms Quote
tnt Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 3 hours ago, iluvdebbies said: #canofworms Exactly. Quote
JohnboyND7 Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 I was always under the impression that you choose a school rather than a coach but I guess athletes typically aren't accused of being the brightest crayons in the box. Quote
geaux_sioux Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said: I was always under the impression that you choose a school rather than a coach but I guess athletes typically aren't accused of being the brightest crayons in the box. Which is why their gpa's are higher than the average students Quote
JohnboyND7 Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 1 minute ago, geaux_sioux said: Which is why their gpa's are higher than the average students Lol yes, those physical education/university studies classes are brutal. 1 Quote
geaux_sioux Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said: Lol yes, those physical education/university studies classes are brutal. There are plenty of engineers coming from both football programs in North Dakota 1 Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted January 5, 2017 Author Posted January 5, 2017 Nice to put my name as the starter of this thread, when I started no such thread. I didn't know I was that important around here. 2 Quote
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted January 7, 2017 Posted January 7, 2017 On 1/4/2017 at 1:43 PM, fightingsioux4life said: But if a head coach wants to jump ship and go to another school, there are ZERO consequences for that person. Where is "the harsh reality of college athletics" for disloyal coaches? I think if a coach abandons a program, the players should have the opportunity to transfer to another school without penalty. In some situations there are large buyouts for a coach to leave early. Look at Bohl in Wyo. With the bohla 6.5 million dollar buyout, he is probably not a candidate for the Goofs. Quote
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