Bison Dan Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 It's "too"...not "to". Good to see your remedial education from the AC is serving you well...or good as you would say. If you want to play that bad just take the 2015 deal. Simple right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 If you want to play that bad just take the 2015 deal. Simple right? Right. Except Gene changed the offer, again, to only $125K for 2015. He conveniently forgot to throw that tidbit in their the first time. Then, he left the 2015 and 2017 amounts open ended, only saying "they would be closer to the previously mentioned amounts (175-190K). Which means he will come back and say the offer for 2015 and 2017 is only 150K now "because things changed on his end". Then we start all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herd Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Right. Except Gene changed the offer, again, to only $125K for 2015. He conveniently forgot to throw that tidbit in their the first time. Then, he left the 2015 and 2017 amounts open ended, only saying "they would be closer to the previously mentioned amounts (175-190K). Which means he will come back and say the offer for 2015 and 2017 is only 150K now "because things changed on his end". Then we start all over again. Right. Except Gene changed the offer, again, to only $125K for 2015. He conveniently forgot to throw that tidbit in their the first time. Then, he left the 2015 and 2017 amounts open ended, only saying "they would be closer to the previously mentioned amounts (175-190K). Which means he will come back and say the offer for 2015 and 2017 is only 150K now "because things changed on his end". Then we start all over again. Is BF capable of a negotiation where he doesn't have the media on speed dial and blurt every last detail with his spin? Open records, Riiight! This isn't helping. Keep it out of the media and it will get done. Keep this up and it won't. Each time he uses the media, he hurts the negotiation. And as for Weber State . . . they played NDSU during our transition, when some refused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Is BF capable of a negotiation where he doesn't have the media on speed dial and blurt every last detail with his spin? Open records, Riiight! This isn't helping. Keep it out of the media and it will get done. Keep this up and it won't. Each time he uses the media, he hurts the negotiation. And as for Weber State . . . they played NDSU during our transition, when some refused. So did Concordia St. Paul but I don't see you rushing to play them. As for the media, why does it bother you Bison fans so much? Is it the exposure on what a douche GT is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Is BF capable of a negotiation where he doesn't have the media on speed dial and blurt every last detail with his spin? Open records, Riiight! This isn't helping. Keep it out of the media and it will get done. Keep this up and it won't. Each time he uses the media, he hurts the negotiation. And as for Weber State . . . they played NDSU during our transition, when some refused. I fail to understand how Gene's offers are changing because of "media coverage"? The media is reporting what Gene is doing. Help us out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 So did Concordia St. Paul but I don't see you rushing to play them. As for the media, why does it bother you Bison fans so much? Is it the exposure on what a douche GT is? Easy to see that you don't do a lot of negotiating. See post on BV by Hammersmith - it pretty much sums it up: http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?32573-Future-schedules/page29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mksioux Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 There has to be more to the story than the newspaper story conveys. The biggest question I have is that once an agreement in principle was reached in April 2011, why did it take until January 2013 for the draft agreement to be exchanged? It seems implausible that they'd reach a deal of that magnitude, and then just sit on it for 20 months before formalizing and announcing it. There must be more to the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herd Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 So did Concordia St. Paul but I don't see you rushing to play them. As for the media, why does it bother you Bison fans so much? Is it the exposure on what a douche GT is? Using the Media, as he is, is showing BF's true character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Easy to see that you don't do a lot of negotiating. See post on BV by Hammersmith - it pretty much sums it up: http://www.bisonvill...chedules/page29 Hammer is really smart. He laid out theories on how a sports writer got his emails, what an ace. This just in: when something like this is going on I know for a fact that those guys stop out to Twamley and request open-record emails multiple times per week. Kind of like when the UND Football coaching search was going on - they stopped out and got the new applicant list every few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Using the Media, as he is, is showing BF's true character. By getting the factual info out about GT and his total lack of intergrity as it pertains to this scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mksioux Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Easy to see that you don't do a lot of negotiating. See post on BV by Hammersmith - it pretty much sums it up: http://www.bisonvill...chedules/page29 Wow, that is some good tinfoil hat stuff. Impressive. I don't think any of us know why Schlossman decided to file an open records request and write the story when he did. It could just be that he has time on his hands now that hockey season is over. But go ahead and jump to conspiracy theories. It does make the internet more interesting. As to the rest, you'd have to be pretty stupid to be a highly-visible public employee in North Dakota and not assume that every email you send might one day become public. So I don't doubt that both Faison and Taylor draft their emails accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAS4127 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 That may be, but the fact still remains that Gene Taylor has continued to alter the terms of an agreement that seemed pretty straightforward. Schedule two games: one in Fargo, one in Grand Forks. NDSU can have the first game since they're so accomplished and spectacular. As the emails reveal, Gene Taylor doesn't want that, and all the NDSU faithful blindly rally behind Taylor. Eventually, this game will be played, likely in the playoffs. Hypothetical scenarios are a way to illustrate how that just might happen, and how it would've been in the best interest of NDSU to schedule the '15 and '17 games as they were originally proposed. You do realize that the H/H proposal was made over 2 years ago, and BF took over 2 years to respond, right? Ya, think things can change in 2 years. God some of you are idiots. Also, if this is a game that should be played for the sake of ND fans, and has "never been about the guarantee" why isn't BF jumping on the chance to play in Fargo in 2015? What's the hold up? Take the offer, and continue to work on future games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Man are you full of yourself. Most Bison Fans I know and I know plenty are glad we don't have to put up with your _hit on a yearly basis. It's bad enough watching the circus in the news almost daily about some bufoonery going on up there whether it be with something the school did directly or indirectly. Get over yourself already we don't give a rip about the game and most fans on the NDSU side feel the same. Wrong. Most NDSU fans would embrace the game, and, well, many want it. I know some of the biggest bison fans in the state of North Dakota (hundreds of thousands of dollars put into buses, season tickets, go to every road game, etc. etc. etc.) and they all want to see the rivalry renewed so they can *PROVE* they are way better than UND. Instead, you argue that everyone should just accept that NDSU will always be so so much better than UND. Well, that's wrong. UND will catch NDSU sooner rather than later. You're just using subjectivity as a way to argue your nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAS4127 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 2013 average attendance: UND 8357 Weber State 5756 Now is it still funny? You don't really believe that number for UND do you?!?! Or is that a total for all games played at the TinShed?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDColorado Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 You do realize that the H/H proposal was made over 2 years ago, and BF took over 2 years to respond, right? Ya, think things can change in 2 years. God some of you are idiots. Also, if this is a game that should be played for the sake of ND fans, and has "never been about the guarantee" why is BF jumping on the chance to play in Fargo in 2015? What's the hold up? Take the offer, and continue to work on future games. The single game offer is bullsh!t and you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAS4127 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 The single game offer is bullsh!t and you know it. So, similar to BF's demand for a H/H contract?!?!? Got it!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 You do realize that the H/H proposal was made over 2 years ago, and BF took over 2 years to respond, right? Ya, think things can change in 2 years. God some of you are idiots. Also, if this is a game that should be played for the sake of ND fans, and has "never been about the guarantee" why isn't BF jumping on the chance to play in Fargo in 2015? What's the hold up? Take the offer, and continue to work on future games. You realize BF accepted Gene's offer and then never heard back for a year. That was an actual verbal agreement between BOTH. And Gene never followed up on his own offer. Quit making excuses for him. The facts are all laid out in this thread but you guys go back three or four offers ago to make your case. Gene and Faison have since sent back/forth multiple offers so quit bringing up extinct offers from 2007-2011. They are null and void. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAS4127 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 You realize BF accepted Gene's offer and then never heard back for a year. That was an actual verbal agreement between BOTH. And Gene never followed up on his own offer. Quit making excuses for him. The facts are all laid out in this thread but you guys go back three or four offers ago to make your case. Gene and Faison have since sent back/forth multiple offers so quit bringing up extinct offers from 2007-2011. They are null and void. You mean like similar to when you guys bring up Bobby B. and your wins over us in the TinShed over decade ago?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 You mean like similar to when you guys bring up Bobby B. and your wins over us in the TinShed over decade ago?! Yah!!?? Similar to that!!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Easy to see that you don't do a lot of negotiating. See post on BV by Hammersmith - it pretty much sums it up: http://www.bisonvill...chedules/page29 Or maybe, just maybe it was this: Dom Izzo @DomIzzoWDAY · May 14 Spoke with #NDSU AD Gene Taylor this morning; says talks not dead with #UND on playing football will continue negotiation Seems pretty obvious that GT is saying that there has been some sort of communication in the last week or so. Why wouldn't Schlossman follow up and do another request? But keep tightening that tinfoil hat of yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 You do realize that the H/H proposal was made over 2 years ago, and BF took over 2 years to respond, right? Ya, think things can change in 2 years. God some of you are idiots. Also, if this is a game that should be played for the sake of ND fans, and has "never been about the guarantee" why isn't BF jumping on the chance to play in Fargo in 2015? What's the hold up? Take the offer, and continue to work on future games. WRONG. Brian Faison faxed a copy of the initial proposal (2015 in Fargo, 2017 in Grand Forks) back in 2012 to Gene Taylor -- nothing happened after that. Instead, Gene Taylor changed the proposal to a single game in Fargo during the 2015 season. Then, he changed the guarantee from 170-190k to only 125k. In essence, Taylor has been doing everything at his disposal to avoid playing the game. He must realize he has everything to lose and nothing to gain - other than revenue. UND will likely be the better team by the time the two teams actually play. We want a home and home -- that's how a rivalry is renewed, not a single game in Fargo due to the terms of the ALMIGHTY NDSU ATHLETICS DEPARTMENT. It seems you've resorted to derogatory personal attacks. Everyone knows the golden rule of debate is that when one loses, he or she often has no choice but to attack the opposing debater personally, rather than adopt a new discussion strategy. And well, with that It appears you've ran out of ridiculous replies and you're now calling posters "idiots". Of course, you likely didn't realize that because logical debate certainly doesn't occur at NDSU. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAS4127 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 WRONG. Brian Faison faxed a copy of the initial proposal (2015 in Fargo, 2017 in Grand Forks) back in 2012 to Gene Taylor -- nothing happened after that. Instead, Gene Taylor changed the proposal to a single game in Fargo during the 2015 season. Then, he changed the guarantee from 170-190k to only 125k. In essence, Taylor has been doing everything at his disposal to avoid playing the game. He must realize he has everything to lose and nothing to gain - other than revenue. UND will likely be the better team by the time the two teams actually play. We want a home and home -- that's how a rivalry is renewed, not a single game in Fargo due to the terms of the ALMIGHTY NDSU ATHLETICS DEPARTMENT. It seems you've resorted to derogatory personal attacks. Everyone knows the golden rule of debate is that when one loses, he or she often has no choice but to attack the opposing debater personally, rather than adopt a new discussion strategy. And well, with that It appears you've ran out of ridiculous replies and you're now calling posters "idiots". Of course, you likely didn't realize that because logical debate certainly doesn't occur at NDSU. OK, whatever you say . . . BTW, let BF know that the '15 offer is still on the table and he should "do the right thing" and accept it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 OK, whatever you say . . . BTW, let BF know that the '15 offer is still on the table and he should "do the right thing" and accept it. If Gene would give BF the 180K that he initially offered, before changing it, I am sure it would be close to done by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 OK, whatever you say . . . BTW, let BF know that the '15 offer is still on the table and he should "do the right thing" and accept it. "OK, whatever you say..." No wonder there are so many marginal lawyers running around. "do the right thing"...don't think those words have ever come from GT's mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAS4127 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 If Gene would give BF the 180K that he initially offered, before changing it, I am sure it would be close to done by now. Oh, really?! I guess I didn't see the press leak from BF on this . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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