Conference Realignments - Take 2

[Shawn-O]

How about pick two of ( Louisville / Memphis / Cincinnati ).

They'd make West Virginia in the Big XII make sense. 

no way Louisville leaves the ACC, the other two...why not?  AAC and MW are certainly the places to be looking. 

[SiouxVolley]

How about pick two of ( Louisville / Memphis / Cincinnati ).

They'd make West Virginia in the Big XII make more geographic sense and it would make the American Athletic Conference even less relevant.  

Cincy has a lock on the 11th spot.  The question is who for a 12th.  Oklahoma and it's allies want Houston.  Texas despises Houston and doesn't want it to gain more power in the state.  A&M and the SEC have seen big ratings and recruiting gains in Houston metro, and that not going down well with most Big12 schools.  Texas may try to get a Notre Dame option with the ACC, when the Big 12 contract expires, so they might not be committed fully.  Kansas and Oklahoma to the Big 10 is also a possibilty.  Memphis has some suport, as that would be an offensive move against the SEC.  Tn, Miss, Miss St, Ark, and even Alabama recruit Memphis heavily.

UCF and Colo St could be dark horse candidates for the 12th spot.  BYU has pissed off most Big12 Presidents by their antics of holier than thou. Boise St has academic concerns that haven't been addressed yet.  UCDavis seriously would be looked more favorably upon than BYU or Boise.

Edited December 8, 2015 by SiouxVolley

[GFG]

Cincy has a lock on the 11th spot.  The question is who for a 12th.  Oklahoma and it's allies want Houston.  Texas despises Houston and doesn't want it to gain more power in the state.  A&M and the SEC have seen big ratings and recruiting gains in Houston metro, and that not going down well with most Big12 schools.  Texas may try to get a Notre Dame option with the ACC, when the Big 12 contract expires, so they might not be committed fully.  Kansas and Oklahoma to the Big 10 is also a possibilty.  Memphis has some suport, as that would be an offensive move against the SEC.  Tn, Miss, Miss St, Ark, and even Alabama recruit Memphis heavily.

UCF and Colo St could be dark horse candidates for the 12th spot.  BYU has pissed off most Big12 Presidents by their antics of holier than thou. Boise St has academic concerns that haven't been addressed yet.  UCDavis seriously would be looked more favorably upon than BYU or Boise.

Colorado State is one to watch. They've really been pushing for a Power 5 invite and they're hoping their new stadium will help their cause. Their fans want the B1G more than the Big 12 and their academics and such match that conference, but I don't think they'll complain if they get an invite to the Big 12. 

[dlsiouxfan]

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/12/6/9859054/big-12-championship-game-big-ten-bob-bowlsby

B1G playing dirty to keep the Big 12 from having a conference football championship game.  Will likely lead to the Big 12 adding a couple teams.

I really can't fault the B1G for opposing this.  They basically wanted to do this for years before their expansion and weren't allowed to because of rules put in place by the Big 12 and the SEC.  Why should they change now that the Big 12 is down to 10 teams because four schools left to play elsewhere because they couldn't stand UT?

[Shawn-O]

Interesting take here from last summer, the concept being the P5 schools going to market together on the next TV deal.  

http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story/1561434-the-next-big-move-in-realignment

The NCAA basketball TV deal runs out about the same time:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-basketball-ncaa-cbsturner-idUSTRE63L4FP20100422#uXbj3hApTzAer9mO.97

Interesting, huh?  

[RD17]

There are several stories in today's Wichita Eagle (subscription required) detailing Wichita State's future athletic plans. WSU is looking at reviving football but the President wants FBS and sees the MVFC as just a stepping stone to getting there. WSU is also considering moving out of the Missouri Valley to a higher profile conference. This could create some opportunities for the Dakota schools.

[SiouxVolley]

There are several stories in today's Wichita Eagle (subscription required) detailing Wichita State's future athletic plans. WSU is looking at reviving football but the President wants FBS and sees the MVFC as just a stepping stone to getting there. WSU is also considering moving out of the Missouri Valley to a higher profile conference. This could create some opportunities for the Dakota schools.

Wichita State sees the American as a natural landing spot, as Tulsa, Memphis, and Houston are former rivals.  Must be substance to the Big 12 expansion talks.  If Wichita St goes, Missouri St would go to, as the MVC 's cash cow would be gone.  MSU has to go FBS to get into another decent league like CUSA.  The  MVFC could find itself with two openings

Edited December 9, 2015 by SiouxVolley

[Herd]

Idaho will be in the Big Sky for football in 2018.  The question is FBS or FCS.

Spear is just now fussing up.  Earlier Spear stated some of the BSC would like to go FBS.

Let me help you, the Big Sky is FCS.

[SiouxVolley]

Let me help you, the Big Sky is FCS.

What if I said the MVC wants to go FBS too, but they won't accept any Dakota school for it?  They would have better recruiting grounds if they took C Ark, Sam Houston, S F Austin, and Lamar or alternatively Youngstown St, E Kentucky, Jacksonville St, and Kennesaw St.  The bizon could be out on their hineys.  W Ill could be especially screwed because they don't have anywhere to go except the Pioneer or OVC, if they will accept them.

Wichita St wants fooball back because they don't want to miss the chance at FBS.  The AAC or MWC won't take a new FB team, and CUSA is too big a drop for their basketball.  Wichita St's President said they have no plans to leave the MVC.  How can that be if they want FBS?

Edited December 10, 2015 by SiouxVolley

[Goon]

Let me help you, the Big Sky is FCS.

Let me finish your sentence, it will not be moving up to FBS. 

[SWSiouxMN]

All I know is this, if/when the next round of realignments happens, I am sure it will be just as wild as the first go around.

[SiouxVolley]

Wichita St is not moving conferences but their President is talking FBS.  That does not compute unless that President knows a lot more than we posters do.  NMSU is sitting there without an FBS conference, and used to be in the MVC when it was FBS.  Think the MVC will take gladly take NMSU if the whole MVC goes FBS.  W Ill, Youngstown, and the rest of the Dakotas will be shut out of the whole MVC process, as they won't sponsor FCS anymore.

Edited December 10, 2015 by SiouxVolley

[NDSU grad]

Wichita St is not moving conferences but their President is talking FBS.  That does not compute unless that President knows a lot more than we posters do.  NMSU is sitting there without an FBS conference, and used to be in the MVC when it was FBS.  Think the MVC will take gladly take NMSU if the whole MVC goes FBS.  W Ill, Youngstown, and the rest of the Dakotas will be shut out of the whole MVC process, as they won't sponsor FCS anymore.

How the hell would the MVC go FBS without the Dakota schools?  NMSU is the only non-MVC school that would join a conference like that.  No way Indiana State could go FBS.  Even the Illinois schools would have a very difficult time, with state support dwindling to support academics, an FBS move would be a very difficult sell right now.  The MVC would need at the very least the XDSU's to come with if they made a move like that.*

 

*Disclaimer:  the odds of the MVC going FBS are a magical number approximating negative infinity.  

[UNDColorado]

Just remember that NOBODY correctly predicted the last round or conference realignment. It was crazy and the next round is setting up to be even more drastic.

[SiouxVolley]

How the hell would the MVC go FBS without the Dakota schools?  NMSU is the only non-MVC school that would join a conference like that.  No way Indiana State could go FBS.  Even the Illinois schools would have a very difficult time, with state support dwindling to support academics, an FBS move would be a very difficult sell right now.  The MVC would need at the very least the XDSU's to come with if they made a move like that.*

 

*Disclaimer:  the odds of the MVC going FBS are a magical number approximating negative infinity.  

W Ill wil get turned out the MVFC, as will the Dakotas, as the MVC will dissolve it and make it an internal league.  Wichita St is not investing tens of millions to reatart football to get more media penetration in Fargo and Brookings. Wichita St wants more presence in Texas and the Southwest, like NMSU.  They could easily get San Houston St, Lamar, and maybe even Ark St and Texas St when they are fully FBS.

Wichita St is not going to waste atheltic exposure on the Dakotas. They want more baseball schools, including good weather, as they have been a power in that sport.

Ind St had an FBS newspaper article four years ago when the MVC tried to merge with the WAC.  They talked about a new stadium in Terre Haute, whether you like it or not.

Edited December 10, 2015 by SiouxVolley

[NDSU grad]

W Ill wil get turned out the MVFC, as will the Dakotas, as the MVC will dissolve it and make it an internal league.  Wichita St is not investing tens of millions to reatart football to get more media penetration in Fargo and Brookings. Wichita St wants more presence in Texas and the Southwest, like NMSU.  They could easily get San Houston St, Lamar, and maybe even Ark St and Texas St when they are fully FBS.

Wichita St is not going to waste atheltic exposure on the Dakotas. They want more baseball schools, including good weather, as they have been a power in that sport.

Ind St had an FBS newspaper article four years ago when the MVC tried to merge with the WAC.  They talked about a new stadium in Terre Haute, whether you like it or not.

It doesn't matter what I like.  Wichita St. to the AAC or CUSA is much more likely than an FBS MVC without the Dakota schools.  Like orders of magnitude more likely.

[SiouxVolley]

It doesn't matter what I like.  Wichita St. to the AAC or CUSA is much more likely than an FBS MVC without the Dakota schools.  Like orders of magnitude more likely.

Wichita St needs to start a FB program first.  The AAC and MWC aren't taking startup programs.  CUSA will, but ito basketball is no longer a power league, so WSU can't go there.  The MVC will incubate a startup Wichita FB program, but the MVFC will be dissolved first.

There is a reason Nielson left W Ill, because it doesn't have a future conference football affiliation.  NDSU, SDSU, and USD have the Big Sky option, so their futures are more secuere.

[NDSU grad]

Wichita St needs to start a FB program first.  The AAC and MWC aren't taking startup programs.  CUSA will, but ito basketball is no longer a power league, so WSU can't go there.  The MVC will incubate a startup Wichita FB program, but the MVFC will be dissolved first.

There is a reason Nielson left W Ill, because it doesn't have a future conference football affiliation.  NDSU, SDSU, and USD have the Big Sky option, so their futures are more secuere.

There's really no reason for WSU to start football if they're going to remain in the MVC.  The story in the Wichita paper mentioned how the university and the school is unlike it's peers in the MVC.  The rest of the MVC is not going to start FBS football just to appease WSU and watch them leave after getting their football program off the ground.

[SiouxVolley]

There's really no reason for WSU to start football if they're going to remain in the MVC.  The story in the Wichita paper mentioned how the university and the school is unlike it's peers in the MVC.  The rest of the MVC is not going to start FBS football just to appease WSU and watch them leave after getting their football program off the ground.

All MVC football members have expressed interest in FBS in the last four years, if you would read their local papers.  

N Iowa has to be FBS if they want to continue playing their FBS in state teams, which is invaluable for UNI.

Where would you propose Wichita St played when their football got off the ground, if they were already in the AAC?

Edited December 10, 2015 by SiouxVolley

[Herd]

What if I said the MVC wants to go FBS too, but they won't accept any Dakota school for it?  They would have better recruiting grounds if they took C Ark, Sam Houston, S F Austin, and Lamar or alternatively Youngstown St, E Kentucky, Jacksonville St, and Kennesaw St.  The bizon could be out on their hineys.  W Ill could be especially screwed because they don't have anywhere to go except the Pioneer or OVC, if they will accept them.

Wichita St wants fooball back because they don't want to miss the chance at FBS.  The AAC or MWC won't take a new FB team, and CUSA is too big a drop for their basketball.  Wichita St's President said they have no plans to leave the MVC.  How can that be if they want FBS?

The MVC would be told the same thing as the CAA and BSC, entire conferences are not allowed to move up enmass, individual team would need an invite from an existing FBS conference.  What part of that don't you understand?

And if they could, the MVC is going to replace its best football team on its way to FBS with Lamar?  Are you high?  

Edited December 11, 2015 by Herd
Uodate

[SiouxVolley]

What part of a paper regulation for monopolies don't you understand?  Crystal Sugar made money based on cheap sugar from Mexico and Cuba was not allowed to be imported.  That has changed and now Crystal Sugar and farmers are struggling with cheap prices, when before a Crystal Sugar share was a way to effectively extort money from the public.  A simple paper regulation can change and has changed many times.  The P5 is the new monopoly, and they have the power to blow up the G5 to a greater size so there would be fewer threats to P5 dominance and get cheaper G5 guarantees.

Explained this to bizon bozos nearly a zillion times, but they still don't get it.

[Herd]

What part of a paper regulation for monopolies don't you understand?  Crystal Sugar made money based on cheap sugar from Mexico and Cuba was not allowed to be imported.  That has changed and now Crystal Sugar and farmers are struggling with cheap prices, when before a Crystal Sugar share was a way to effectively extort money from the public.  A simple paper regulation can change and has changed many times.  The P5 is the new monopoly, and they have the power to blow up the G5 to a greater size so there would be fewer threats to P5 dominance and get cheaper G5 guarantees.

Explained this to bizon bozos nearly a zillion times, but they still don't get it.

the P5 is restricting entrance to the FBS level, not trying to grow it.  They are restricting conference additions, not growing them.  Adding teams and conferences reduces the P5 pie.

You are out in left field, again.

Edited December 11, 2015 by Herd

[SiouxVolley]

Must have missed the part where Moses brought down on stone tablets from Mt Sinai the FBS regulations, and they are forever to be unchanged, even though they have been entirely revamped numerous times by that Holy institution the NCAA.

Edited December 11, 2015 by SiouxVolley

[planetearth]

Planetearth has noted that sugarbeets and moses have been used in a discussion about college football conferences. Be advised, these comments are out of this world.

[SiouxVolley]

Planetearth has noted that sugarbeets and moses have been used in a discussion about college football conferences. Be advised, these comments are out of this world.

So reference which planet, including Pluto or their satelites, Moses and Sugarbeets resided on, as you are the resident space cadet here.