gfhockey Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 muss is a real nice guy nice guys finish last sorry muss.
Sioux95 Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 I thought Muss's comment about the players being divas was classless. The team is made up of student athletes, not professionals. How would you feels as a parent of one of those players? It is one thing to call out poor play but you do that with limiting playing time, rigorous and punishing practice drills, demanding more from your players in ways that don't resort to name calling. ADs and coaches in college athletics have the trust of kids and their families. they have a responsibility to provide a good environment for the student athletes in their programs. I don't like what I am seeing at UND right now, but I have some confidence that Faison will straighten this situation out. I can't see him letting this go on much longer when it is really starting to reflect poorly on the University.
geaux_sioux Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 I thought Muss's comment about the players being divas was classless. The team is made up of student athletes, not professionals. How would you feels as a parent of one of those players? It is one thing to call out poor play but you do that with limiting playing time, rigorous and punishing practice drills, demanding more from your players in ways that don't resort to name calling. ADs and coaches in college athletics have the trust of kids and their families. they have a responsibility to provide a good environment for the student athletes in their programs. I don't like what I am seeing at UND right now, but I have some confidence that Faison will straighten this situation out. I can't see him letting this go on much longer when it is really starting to reflect poorly on the University. If I was a parent of one of the divas I'd tell him to pull his head out of his ass. Mussman has all the right in the world to call his players out. It sends a message when he tells it to the media.
Redneksioux Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 If I was a parent of one of the divas I'd tell him to pull his head out of his ass. Mussman has all the right in the world to call his players out. It sends a message when he tells it to the media. So the players don't respect the coach. So the coach disrespects the players. This is moving the team into what direction? I won't be surprised if they lose out.
gfhockey Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 im surprised muss hasn't called out the fans lol
Cratter Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Divas has a nice ring as the new nickname. The Fighting Divas! Hope they don't choke.
Matt Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 I felt muss was restrained. I'd have called them a bunch of damn pu$$ie$.
Sioux95 Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 If I was a parent of one of the divas I'd tell him to pull his head out of his ass. Mussman has all the right in the world to call his players out. It sends a message when he tells it to the media. And the message is "I have no respect for the players on this team". Say what you want, it was classless and if he wants to call someone out, there more productive ways to do it than lowering himself and university to that level.
NDSIOUXFAN1 Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 And the message is "I have no respect for the players on this team". Say what you want, it was classless and if he wants to call someone out, there more productive ways to do it than lowering himself and university to that level. A coach that would go to the media to call players out would not only make himself look like a idiot, but would lose credibility with everyone. Not a good idea!
The Sicatoka Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 "I'm not seeing the efforts" statements by coaches work when the coaches have the respect of the players. And it's not a personal insult. Calling guys "divas" is name-calling and personal. That's not something a respectful two-way relationship does. This guy is begging to be put out of OUR misery. For future reference: "I'm not seeing the efforts from some guys that I expect; thus, there will be changes, either in effort or personnel" is how you communicate such things. For you Dean Blais fans allow me to translate: "Skate or sit." 4
Sioux95 Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 "I'm not seeing the efforts" statements by coaches work when the coaches have the respect of the players. And it's not a personal insult. Calling guys "divas" is name-calling and personal. That's not something a respectful two-way relationship does. This guy is begging to be put out of OUR misery. For future reference: "I'm not seeing the efforts from some guys that I expect; thus, there will be changes, either in effort or personnel" is how you communicate such things. Perfect. Thank you
bincitysioux Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 I thought Muss's comment about the players being divas was classless. The team is made up of student athletes, not professionals. How would you feels as a parent of one of those players? It is one thing to call out poor play but you do that with limiting playing time, rigorous and punishing practice drills, demanding more from your players in ways that don't resort to name calling. These are not kids, they are adults. Most of whom are being paid, in the form of scholarship dollars, to play a sport at a public university. IMO, they are fair game for public criticism, just as the coaching staff is. Mussman criticizing his players in public is one of the few positive things he's done this season as far as I am concerned. 3
Redneksioux Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 These are not kids, they are adults. Most of whom are being paid, in the form of scholarship dollars, to play a sport at a public university. IMO, they are fair game for public criticism, just as the coaching staff is. Mussman criticizing his players in public is one of the few positive things he's done this season as far as I am concerned. Just think if you had a family member that was being recruited by und and a few other schools. Wouldn't und drop to the bottom of your list if you knew the coach publicly called players names? How about if your employer/boss publicly called employees names? It would be a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Oxbow6 Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 These are not kids, they are adults. Most of whom are being paid, in the form of scholarship dollars, to play a sport at a public university. IMO, they are fair game for public criticism, just as the coaching staff is. Mussman criticizing his players in public is one of the few positive things he's done this season as far as I am concerned. Not disagreeing with anything above but he still lacks the tact and class of a quality respectable HC IMO.
Oxbow6 Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Just think if you had a family member that was being recruited by und and a few other schools. Wouldn't und drop to the bottom of your list if you knew the coach publicly called players names? How about if your employer/boss publicly called employees names? It would be a lawsuit waiting to happen. Cue the PC minions around here to accuse Muss of bullying... I'm obviously not a Muss fan but let's not even go there.
Redneksioux Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Not disagreeing with anything above but he still lacks the tact and class of a quality respectable HC IMO. Not only is he resorting to name calling but he's doing it in public. Throw your players under the bus and you think it makes you look any better?
Redneksioux Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Cue the PC minions around here to accuse Muss of bullying... I'm obviously not a Muss fan but let's not even go there. Lets not but you brought it up. Accusing a guy of doing what he's doing - name calling - a form of bullying, makes one a PC minion? It sure isn't an effective leadership skill.
Oxbow6 Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Lets not but you brought it up. Accusing a guy of doing what he's doing - name calling - a form of bullying, makes one a PC minion? It sure isn't an effective leadership skill. It's not leadership and it's not bullying. Bad choice of words by a bad HC...period.
Oxbow6 Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Not only is he resorting to name calling but he's doing it in public. Throw your players under the bus and you think it makes you look any better? Under the bus?? Really? He is the major issue w this program but the quitting on the field by some of the top talent on this team isn't too far behind. No problem with him calling players out but in the fashion he did...no tact or class.
NDSIOUXFAN1 Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 These are not kids, they are adults. Most of whom are being paid, in the form of scholarship dollars, to play a sport at a public university. IMO, they are fair game for public criticism, just as the coaching staff is. Mussman criticizing his players in public is one of the few positive things he's done this season as far as I am concerned. Wrong, they are kids. Many of these athletes are 18-20, but Muss is a adult and should act accordingly.
geaux_sioux Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Wrong, they are kids. Many of these athletes are 18-20, but Muss is a adult and should act accordingly. What's the legal definition of an adult? 1
Redneksioux Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 What's the legal definition of an adult? They are young adults. Not only is muss's behavior counter productive for the current season (like it really matters now) but his actions will affect recruits' decisions. The recruits are generally kids. And most parents would rather see their kids treated in more of a professional manner. I've never competed in NCAA sports myself but I have a sibling that did. His #1 priority when he chose what school to go to was the education. #2 was his respect for the coaching staff of the program.
geaux_sioux Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 They are young adults. Not only is muss's behavior counter productive for the current season (like it really matters now) but his actions will affect recruits' decisions. The recruits are generally kids. And most parents would rather see their kids treated in more of a professional manner. So these young men can get paid to play football and go to school or could get paid to die for their country but God forbid someone questions their attitude and toughness even if there are clearly issues with those things? So you're saying only the coach can be held accountable? They're lucky he only called them divas. They deserve worse for how some have acted recently. 1
bincitysioux Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 If they are old enough to serve their country in the military, then they should be able to handle criticism from their coach and from the fans that help foot the bill for their eduaction without being too emotionally scarred from it. 3
Redneksioux Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 How did it get to this point? Remember the athletes' effort and attitude is a direct reflection of their leaders, their coaching staff. Maybe instead of going public with name calling, Mussman should have taken a look in the mirror.
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