Sioux name in trouble again

[Awesome]

Should the SR tribal council get unlimited time to sit around a campfire and talk about talking to maybe support the nickname, in some form?

Sorry it's not the 1500s anymore. We move faster today, including deadlines.

Make a decision.

If it's not resolved by the NCAA's deadline that

[Goon]

How dare we try to pay them off...but I'm in total agreement!

I don't have a problem with it at all either. Percentage of logo sales to the two Reservations.

[Old Time Hockey]

I still think the Alumni Association ought to simply write a $1,000,000 check to each tribe and get the deal(s) done. 30-year contract in return for the money.

There, I said it.

$1,000,000??? Really???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKHSAE1gIs

[Goon]

$1,000,000??? Really???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKHSAE1gIs

That is a lot of zeros. Where does the money come from?

[Old Time Hockey]

That is a lot of zeros. Where does the money come from?

If $2,000,000 would take care of the issue for 30 years, the money would be raised in less than a week! I would guess one phone call to one family would take care of the issue.

[Goon]

If $2,000,000 would take care of the issue for 30 years, the money would be raised in less than a week! I would guess one phone call to one family would take care of the issue.

You know you might be right.

[krangodance]

It would seem that way, at least you would think, given that the "true" deadline is Feb. 2010.

However, consider:

- SBoHE is getting restless

- UND is still going to be losing scheduling opportunities, even if they reach a deal with the tribes (Iowa would not participate vs. UND in a swimming meet, for example)

- Even if the tribes say they support the nickname, 30 year deals have to be signed with both. That process itself could take years. Seems really unlikely that it could get done by Feb 2010.

isn't the true deadline oct 2010?

[siouxweet]

If $2,000,000 would take care of the issue for 30 years, the money would be raised in less than a week! I would guess one phone call to one family would take care of the issue.

I remember several months back there was a caravan that went to the reservations on this topic and REA was represented, I would guess this issue was discussed.

[krangodance]

isn't the true deadline oct 2010?

nevermind, i saw somebody else posted it's nov 30 2010. i knew feb 2010 was earlier than i had heard a while back.

[the green team]

Ok, it appears they are going to extend the deadline until the end of Nov. according to what I've read. Thats because they say they are going to have a meeting on Nov. 10th. People you are incredibly gulliable if you think that meeting is anything more than 50-50 chance of actually being held. That's the way it works with Tribal Government, which is not to say that is that much different from ours, but one thing that is different is that just because something is scheduled doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to happen Now, I hate to tell you this but if that meeting doesn't happen, and just from past experience of being around Reservations, my feeling is it could very well not, I could see us at the very end of November- seeing a SBofHE looking at that as saying "it's apparent that the issue is not that important, and that reflects the support isn't there and it's time to change the name" Be ready for it, I am.

[MplsBison]

If it's not resolved by the NCAA's deadline that's it. Until then it's up to the Tribe to talk about it or not. They can move as fast or slow as they want/can. UND needs their approval to use the nickname. Supporters like me are just lucky they get extensions on the board's arbitrary deadlines.

You're reasoning and "campfire"/"smoke signals" comments are mind bottling...it actually bottles your mind. A real nice example of ignorance.

There is the NCAA deadline...or the SBoHE can mandate the nickname be retired earlier IF the tribes are not showing progress towards allowing the nickname.

There has to be some accountability by the tribes.

[MplsBison]

Ok, it appears they are going to extend the deadline until the end of Nov. according to what I've read. Thats because they say they are going to have a meeting on Nov. 10th. People you are incredibly gulliable if you think that meeting is anything more than 50-50 chance of actually being held. That's the way it works with Tribal Government, which is not to say that is that much different from ours, but one thing that is different is that just because something is scheduled doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to happen Now, I hate to tell you this but if that meeting doesn't happen, and just from past experience of being around Reservations, my feeling is it could very well not, I could see us at the very end of November- seeing a SBofHE looking at that as saying "it's apparent that the issue is not that important, and that reflects the support isn't there and it's time to change the name" Be ready for it, I am.

Ok then. Nov 30th and they had better show some progress.

Not meeting on Nov 10th would and should break the camel's back. Enough is enough.

Again I ask: is the nickname issue important to them or not?

[Goon]

Ok then. Nov 30th and they had better show some progress.

Not meeting on Nov 10th would and should break the camel's back. Enough is enough.

Again I ask: is the nickname issue important to them or not?

Again I ask: why is the nickname such an important issue to a Bison fan such as you? I can now hear the sound of crickets in the room.

[redwing77]

Again I ask: why is the nickname such an important issue to a Bison fan such as you? I can now hear the sound of crickets in the room.

I don't agree with a lot of what he's saying, but MplsBison has a point.

The tribe IS dragging their feet and really... wouldn't you like some sort of resolution one way or another sooner rather than later?

Will the RHHiT supported people win or not?

Letting it drag on and on until the NCAA deadline (which is a real possibility at this point) is any better than simply giving them until November 30th and then shutting the efforts down?

As for Iowa not playing us in a flipping swim meet... Too bad for the swim team. Refusal on non-sports related issues such as a nickname should be graciously accepted by the NCAA and UND...as forfeits by the team refusing to compete.

So, congrats to UND for beating Iowa without getting wet.

Iowa can protest the nickname. That's fine. But then again... it IS swimming.

As painful as this sounds, UND could shut down all non-revenue DII/DI sports and then try to work something out with basketball and football scheduling wise.

I'd perhaps investigate a women's fastpitch DI softball team to replace the cut women's sports and lacrosse as well.

Ok, softball won't be revenue making.... but I don't see much other than women's basketball and maybe someday women's hockey as being revenue building anyways. Sexist sounding sure, but reality.

[GeauxSioux]

As painful as this sounds, UND could shut down all non-revenue DII/DI sports and then try to work something out with basketball and football scheduling wise.

I'd perhaps investigate a women's fastpitch DI softball team to replace the cut women's sports and lacrosse as well.

Ok, softball won't be revenue making.... but I don't see much other than women's basketball and maybe someday women's hockey as being revenue building anyways. Sexist sounding sure, but reality.

The reality is you have to deal with TITLE IX

Prohibition against discrimination; exceptions

No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance, except that:

[darell1976]

We all know it takes a little time to get the new tribal council settled in. And there is other matters on the reservations, but come one everyone in this state reservation or not knows the number one issue with this tribe is the Sioux nickname. And i agree with MplsBison they are dragging their feet. Don't they know their decision holds the fate that could cost the University millions of dollars from marketing plus all the money not coming in from alumni who will hold a grude on this decision if it goes bad, plus all the money to take down some of the logos in buildings. It can't be too hard if the Spirit Lake can get a tribe wide vote. And the excuse we had a meeting but the Sioux name wasn't talked about...why not?? Well if the SBoHE says this is it, Nov 30 is the date since they will hold a meeting on Nov 15. If they cancel that meeting or don't talk about the name then I think the board should tell the SR you had 2 months to talk about the name you did nothing its over. This pi$$ing around is getting pretty old.

[the green team]

Yes Red Wing, that's exactly what we need to do is shut down all our non-revenue sports, really? the University has to maintain a certain amount of sports to remain in its certain classification, not to mention the title IX implications- yes let's leave ourselves suseptible to that can of worms.

[MplsBison]

Yes Red Wing, that's exactly what we need to do is shut down all our non-revenue sports, really? the University has to maintain a certain amount of sports to remain in its certain classification, not to mention the title IX implications- yes let's leave ourselves suseptible to that can of worms.

Not to mention all the negative backlash and media attention that the school and athletics department would receive when the perception that "anything for hockey" was confirmed.

[MplsBison]

We all know it takes a little time to get the new tribal council settled in. And there is other matters on the reservations, but come one everyone in this state reservation or not knows the number one issue with this tribe is the Sioux nickname. And i agree with MplsBison they are dragging their feet. Don't they know their decision holds the fate that could cost the University millions of dollars from marketing plus all the money not coming in from alumni who will hold a grude on this decision if it goes bad, plus all the money to take down some of the logos in buildings. It can't be too hard if the Spirit Lake can get a tribe wide vote. And the excuse we had a meeting but the Sioux name wasn't talked about...why not?? Well if the SBoHE says this is it, Nov 30 is the date since they will hold a meeting on Nov 15. If they cancel that meeting or don't talk about the name then I think the board should tell the SR you had 2 months to talk about the name you did nothing its over. This pi$ing around is getting pretty old.

As hard as it might be for some UND fans if they don't do whatever they can to save the nickname, I agree with you 100%.

They will had 2 months to do something about it. No action by Nov 30th is unacceptable and it should be shut down if they can't do something by then.

[darell1976]

As hard as it might be for some UND fans if they don't do whatever they can to save the nickname, I agree with you 100%.

They will had 2 months to do something about it. No action by Nov 30th is unacceptable and it should be shut down if they can't do something by then.

The SR figures they hold all the cards and can do what they want and when they want, but the better hand goes to the SBoHE with the deadline. And the SBoHE can use the excuse we gave them plenty of time and they did nothing. So if nothing happens in 12 days(Nov. 10th) then i say (and this is hard) do NOT extend the deadline.

[The Sicatoka]

I'm not arrogant enough to demand control over the agenda of a newly seated sovereign tribal government.

The ND SBoHE knows the deadlines; I'm sure the tribal government knows them too.

And the deadlines I refer to are the ones from the NCAA agreement.

As long as the lines of communication (Goetz to Murphy and back) are open, let the tribe sort this out, in their way, on their terms (understanding that some dates are non-negotiable per the NCAA).

The Spirit Lake vote is nearly bullet-proof because that was done by them, on their terms, in their way.

Anything less, you give the protesters more ammunition that this was forced upon the tribe.

[Awesome]

I'm not arrogant enough to demand control over the agenda of a newly seated sovereign tribal government.

The ND SBoHE knows the deadlines; I'm sure the tribal government knows them too.

And the deadlines I refer to are the ones from the NCAA agreement.

As long as the lines of communication (Goetz to Murphy and back) are open, let the tribe sort this out, in their way, on their terms (understanding that some dates are non-negotiable per the NCAA).

The Spirit Lake vote is nearly bullet-proof because that was done by them, on their terms, in their way.

Anything less, you give the protesters more ammunition that this was forced upon the tribe.

Well put.

[Knickball2]

Anyone that has been in Indian country within the last several weeks, will readily recognize that however important the nickname and logo is to the white world, it is not and never has been the all great and important issue at Standing Rock or Spirit Lake. Anyone that continues to insist that it's the most important thing to the people of

Standing Rock at the present time has obviously never visited that reservation or Spirit Lake for that matter. And no, the casino visit doesn't count! The vote will happen in due time, just relax..

[the green team]

I'm all for letting them do it in their own way and their own terms, but lets say the State Board allows and allows and allows more deadlines more extensions-- and all of a sudden woh, wait a second, now we are on top of the NCAA deadline, and nothing has really been accompolished, would you be asking the tribe for more urgency then?

[darell1976]

I'm all for letting them do it in their own way and their own terms, but lets say the State Board allows and allows and allows more deadlines more extensions-- and all of a sudden woh, wait a second, now we are on top of the NCAA deadline, and nothing has really been accompolished, would you be asking the tribe for more urgency then?

EXACTLY!!!!!