former players

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

Boeser re-signs with Vancouver. Wow.

[nascar99]

4 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Boeser re-signs with Vancouver. Wow.

I guess he decided he didn't want to move. New York, Detroit, Columbus, Carolina, Edmonton, Los Angeles, Anaheim etc probably didn't give him the AAV & term he wanted

[Benny Baker]

On 6/25/2025 at 2:16 PM, siouxkid12 said:

True, the Wild were never serious contenders to win the Cup and the Devils just fell off the face off the earth after he left but its hockey, there are no guarantees that one will win a Stanley Cup. Look at the teams that won it while he was in Minnesota, I don't think he would've been on any of the teams that won it (Blackhawks, Kings, Pens, Lightning, and Caps) or played in the Finals.

Ray Shero and the Pens were putting the full court press on Parise and Suter during the summer of 2012; Parise and Suter weren't interested.  Parise would have been a two-time Stanley Cup champion in Pittsburgh.

[burd]

23 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:

Ray Shero and the Pens were putting the full court press on Parise and Suter during the summer of 2012; Parise and Suter weren't interested.  Parise would have been a two-time Stanley Cup champion in Pittsburgh.

So the Pens wouldn't have had to give anything up for Parise and Suter, other than cash and/or draft picks?

[Benny Baker]

9 minutes ago, burd said:

So the Pens wouldn't have had to give anything up for Parise and Suter, other than cash and/or draft picks?

Just cash. If I recall, Parise and Suter were both free agents.  I think for Parise it was always between Minnesota and going back to NJ, though.  I think Suter weighed Minnesota, Detroit, and returning to Nashville.  But Pittsburgh definitely wanted and made offers to both.

[siouxkid12]

37 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:

Ray Shero and the Pens were putting the full court press on Parise and Suter during the summer of 2012; Parise and Suter weren't interested.  Parise would have been a two-time Stanley Cup champion in Pittsburgh.

It's easy to look back and suggest that a player could have done better elsewhere but the reality is, it's just not true. If Parise signed with the Pens, they wouldn't have been able to acquire Kessel, who was a HUGE part of them winning back-to-back Stanley Cups. 

[siouxkid12]

23 minutes ago, burd said:

So the Pens wouldn't have had to give anything up for Parise and Suter, other than cash and/or draft picks?

No but they wouldn't have been able to acquire Phil Kessel in 2015. 

[Benny Baker]

2 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

It's easy to look back and suggest that a player could have done better elsewhere but the reality is, it's just not true. If Parise signed with the Pens, they wouldn't have been able to acquire Kessel, who was a HUGE part of them winning back-to-back Stanley Cups. 

For sure.  Hard for anyone to predict the future in an alternate realty.  Who knows, maybe the Pens three-peat with Parise on their team?

Anyway, I was just pointing out that Parise could have played for one of the teams that won the Stanley Cup in the mid-2010s.

[siouxkid12]

5 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:

For sure.  Hard for anyone to predict the future in an alternate realty.  Who knows, maybe the Pens three-peat with Parise on their team?

Anyway, I was just pointing out that Parise could have played for one of the teams that won the Stanley Cup in the mid-2010s.

Your assessment is flawed. Again, if Parise signs with the Pens, they don't acquire Kessel. And what we do know is, Kessel was a HUGE reason they went back-to-back.
Your "alternate reality" is just that, an alternate reality. I might as well start saying "if Parise didn't sign with Minnesota, the Wild win 3 stanley cups"

[Benny Baker]

13 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

Your assessment is flawed. Again, if Parise signs with the Pens, they don't acquire Kessel. And what we do know is, Kessel was a HUGE reason they went back-to-back.
Your "alternate reality" is just that, an alternate reality. I might as well start saying "if Parise didn't sign with Minnesota, the Wild win 3 stanley cups"

Kessel was traded to Pittsburgh for players from Pittsburgh's own draft pool and journeyman, Nick Spaling.  Toronto also retained some of Kessel's salary making Kessel even more affordable wherever he was ultimately traded.  Kessel to Pittsburgh was not some huge free agent signing; it was a trade.  And since Pittsburgh would have had the trade assets even with Parise on the team, Pittsburgh could have still traded for Kessel.

And, we get it; you're a Kessel fan.  I'm more of a Parise-guy myself, though.

[skateshattrick]

Jacob Bernard-Docker signed with the Red Wings

[siouxkid12]

2 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:

Kessel was traded to Pittsburgh for players from Pittsburgh's own draft pool and journeyman, Nick Spaling.  Toronto also retained some of Kessel's salary making Kessel even more affordable wherever he was ultimately traded.  Kessel to Pittsburgh was not some huge free agent signing; it was a trade.  And since Pittsburgh would have had the trade assets even with Parise on the team, Pittsburgh could have still traded for Kessel.

And, we get it; you're a Kessel fan.  I'm more of a Parise-guy myself, though.

Toronto retained 8.4 million dollars of the 64 million 8 year deal he signed (there was 7 years left). Don't make it sound like it they got him for peanuts. Also, the Pens aren't making that trade if Parise is on the team due to having ZERO cap space left.

I'm not a Kessel fan either. 

[siouxkid12]

29 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:

Kessel was traded to Pittsburgh for players from Pittsburgh's own draft pool and journeyman, Nick Spaling.  Toronto also retained some of Kessel's salary making Kessel even more affordable wherever he was ultimately traded.  Kessel to Pittsburgh was not some huge free agent signing; it was a trade.  And since Pittsburgh would have had the trade assets even with Parise on the team, Pittsburgh could have still traded for Kessel.

And, we get it; you're a Kessel fan.  I'm more of a Parise-guy myself, though.

even in your alternate reality, your incorrect.

[Benny Baker]

1 minute ago, siouxkid12 said:

even in your alternate reality, your incorrect.

You meant, "you're incorrect."

You're welcome.

[Benny Baker]

27 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

Toronto retained 8.4 million dollars of the 64 million 8 year deal he signed (there was 7 years left). Don't make it sound like it they got him for peanuts. Also, the Pens aren't making that trade if Parise is on the team due to having ZERO cap space left.

I'm not a Kessel fan either. 

This is from 2015-2016.  Parise was a free agent in 2012.  If Parise (LW) signs in 2012, Pittsburgh never acquires Hagelin (LW) in 2015-2016 since Kunitz (LW) was Pittsburgh's other top-6 LW.  There, that frees up $4 million.  Also, since Pittsburgh signed Schultz in the 2015-2016 offseason for him to only play about 15 games, don't sign him either.  That frees up another $4 million.  I I could go on . . . but, pretty damn easy math to make both Parise and Kessel work for Pittsburgh.

Again, someone on here claimed that Parise would not have been on any teams that won the Stanley Cup.  Maybe that person just really hates Zach Parise, thinks he's a cancer, and could never win the Stanley Cup anywhere he goes.  I was simply trying to point out that one of the teams that did, in fact, win the Stanley Cup had offered to sign Zach Parise to a contract in 2012.  Sorry that this fact got you so bent out of shape.

Have a good one.

[Und Princess]

36 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:

You meant, "you're incorrect."

You're welcome.

Haha!! 

[fightingsioux4life]

The bottom line is that Parise was not going to win the Stanley Cup with the Wild. That team has been average at best from their first game in 2000. One division title in a quarter century of existence doesn't exactly scream excellence.

[siouxkid12]

1 hour ago, Benny Baker said:

This is from 2015-2016.  Parise was a free agent in 2012.  If Parise (LW) signs in 2012, Pittsburgh never acquires Hagelin (LW) in 2015-2016 since Kunitz (LW) was Pittsburgh's other top-6 LW.  There, that frees up $4 million.  Also, since Pittsburgh signed Schultz in the 2015-2016 offseason for him to only play about 15 games, don't sign him either.  That frees up another $4 million.  I I could go on . . . but, pretty damn easy math to make both Parise and Kessel work for Pittsburgh.

Again, someone on here claimed that Parise would not have been on any teams that won the Stanley Cup.  Maybe that person just really hates Zach Parise, thinks he's a cancer, and could never win the Stanley Cup anywhere he goes.  I was simply trying to point out that one of the teams that did, in fact, win the Stanley Cup had offered to sign Zach Parise to a contract in 2012.  Sorry that this fact got you so bent out of shape.

Have a good one.

That only makes up 8 million and by the time the Pens won it he was making 9 million annually. So who else you wanna drop to "hypothetically" fit your narrative. Also, if you drop Hagelin the pens probably don't come out of their midseason slump, as he went on a 27 point tear when he got to Pitt. Hagelin was a huge contributor for the pens in the playoffs that year, so its safe to say if they didn't have him, they don't win the Stanley Cup.

[atxsioux]

Wonder if the Red Wings would've been as good if Datsyuk was Finish instead of Russian...

[siouxkid12]

4 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

The bottom line is that Parise was not going to win the Stanley Cup with the Wild. That team has been average at best from their first game in 2000. One division title in a quarter century of existence doesn't exactly scream excellence.

With the way that roster was constructed and the amount they paid him, no they were not. But to boldly state that he would've won one had he signed elsewhere is blasphemy. Simply stating that he would've won one had he signed with a past team that has won a stanley cup doesn't make any sense because those teams were put together and won because of each individual player that was there. You take out one of those players, that particular team probably doesn't win. It's called the butterfly effect.

[fightingsioux4life]

12 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

With the way that roster was constructed and the amount they paid him, no they were not. But to boldly state that he would've won one had he signed elsewhere is blasphemy. Simply stating that he would've won one had he signed with a past team that has won a stanley cup doesn't make any sense because those teams were put together and won because of each individual player that was there. You take out one of those players, that particular team probably doesn't win. It's called the butterfly effect.

I wasn't talking about other teams, just the Wild. I agree with you on the butterfly effect.

I think Zach wanted to live closer to home.

[sioux rube]

 

[siouxkid12]

15 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

I wasn't talking about other teams, just the Wild. I agree with you on the butterfly effect.

I think Zach wanted to live closer to home.

If I remember correctly, his parents played a huge part in him coming to Minnesota. I can’t remember exactly but I think his dad was just starting to get sick too.

 

[siouxfaninseattle]

Boeser stays in Vancouver - $50.8 million for 7 years.

[Und Princess]

1 hour ago, siouxfaninseattle said:

Boeser stays in Vancouver - $50.8 million for 7 years.

That is amazing for a salary.