Siouxperfan7

A businessman more capable of handling a budget better then a government run entity. Where have I heard that before?!! I guess former casino owners make the best CFO's!!

https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/education/4452965-unds-mark-kennedy-meet-las-vegas-kris-engelstad-mcgarry I wonder when we will find out what came out of the meeting today. Who will reveal what was discussed first?!!

Words from Bubba the day the logo was reased. A reminder of what UND sports is all about. More than a name. More than a logo. “We know who we want to be and what we represent” https://youtu.be/-GfGB1oKGOY

Crazy. Will be interesting to see if he can have the same recruiting success at Montgomery had.

Schlossman: UND still hopes to put destination hockey game in Nashville http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/4451452-schlossman-und-still-hopes-put-destination-hockey-game-nashville "If this game gets done, the opponent will be Penn State, barring any late changes."

OK, so what is your "interpretation" of the purpose of the REA and the Betty? What was the reason they were built. (By the way, ripping on someones grammar in a post might be the lamest thing ever).

Getting back on topic, the real issue is not whether fans are for or against the Fighting Hawks name and logo. The issue is that Ralph Engelstad Arena and the Betty Engelstad Sioux Center were built for the University of North Dakota. And they should be doing everything they can to help them along the way. And that includes helping the University with their name/logo re branding efforts. REA Inc/Engelstad Foundation aren't doing that. And that is a big problem and that was the true intention of the gift.

Yeah, that's not going to happen. UND is not going to go through the time, money, and effort to start over and likely end up with the same result.

I would like to see a Fighting Hawks logo that takes the current logo and gives us a straight on view of the Hawks face. I know we have the mascot mock up, but that is not what I am mean. Give me a straight on hawk face with a little green and black added in and we may have something. Right now the only hope for the name to gain acceptance is to add a secondary logo. Cause the one they have now isn't going anywhere.

All I am saying is look at the results. Bubba came out 10 minutes after the logo was announced and gave his full support and acknowledged that is was important for us to embrace the new logo. He then said the logo would be on the helmets next season. Go to football games. You see the Fighting Hawks logo everywhere. YOu see flags in the tailgate lot. People wearing Fighting Hawks merchandise. You see football players making statements about being Fighting Hawks and being proud of it. If Bubba had acted like Berry has towards the new name and logo, I don't think you would have seen the same result. Brad Berry is a leader. He is the leader of the most popular sport at UND. And thus, has the largest fanbase. People look up to Berry and the hockey team as leaders at the University. They are the most high profile aesthetes at UND. If Berry were to fully embrace the Fighting Hawks name and logo, there would be a different atmosphere in regards to acceptance of the logo. They would see how the team is reacting to the logo and name and many would follow. You can't deny that the hockey program as a whole's rejection of the Fighting Hawks name/logo has played a huge role in people not embracing it. Coaches have a responsibility to support the University. Just like we all have a responsibility to support the practices and policies at our job. I don't think it should have to come to a point where Kennedy or Chaves is going to have to sit Berry down and say, "Hey Brad, we would really appreciate it if you would maybe be more supportive of the Fighting Hawks name and logo because we are trying to promote our new brand and you and your programs support could really go a long way." He should realize this on his own. Apparently he hasn't yet.

AS long as the hockey program (coaches and players) continue to reject the Fighting Hawks name and logo, the fans will continue to do the same. Other coaches have gone all in on the logo and name and you can see the result of the fan reaction at games. It helps. Brad Berry is an employee of UND. If I were Kennedy, I would tell him that it is part of his job responsibility to act in the best interest of the University. And the thing that he needs to do that he currently isn't to support that is to get behind the new name and logo. I am not saying that Berry changing his twitter profile pic to a Fighting Hawks logo is going to make everyone accept it. But if he was as enthusiastic about it as Bubba, Jones, and other coaches, you can't deny the climate would be a lot different.

Danks really thought his land was worth way more. Alerus just waited him out. I bet he was asking double for that 10 years ago!!

Was there every renderings or drawings of the HPC Phase II ?

Best case scenario for those that don't like the current logo would be for UND to develop a secondary logo and that one would eventually turn into the primary logo used by the athletic programs. Of course, when that would happen is the question. Coming up with a secondary logo would be an admission by UND that the current logo is not as popular as they would have hoped, but if they did it right could go a long way in uniting this divided fanbase and we can't stop talking about logos!! Maybe UND is just playing with us and releasing a less a logo that is kind of plain and bland, and then 5 years after its release, come out with one of the other SME designs and people will compare it to the current logo and think the new secondary logo is just awesome!!

I predict Brady. I think (and maybe I am hopeful) Santiago will be used more in the passing game. I still don't know what the deal is with JJ. He needs to get more touches. If Santiago's role is tweaked a little bit, that may end up happening.

You can sell the naming rights and still have a logo of your school at midfield. Happens everywhere.

Looking a the Summit map now since they left with the addition of Oral Roberts coming back and UND joining, you would think that the travel looks a heck of a lot more attractive than playing a WAC schedule!

One thing that people that don't like the Fighting Hawks name and/or logo need to ask themselves is: What will all my bitching and complaining accomplish? I see it in the same way I see protesters sit on a highway and block traffic, or people who are upset their candidate didn't win an election so they #resist anything and everything associated with it. A lot of effort is wasted when people act this way. So you don't like the Fighting Hawks name. Well, there isn't really a lot you can do about that since I doubt UND is going to spend the time and money to start the process over. OK, so what's next. You don't like the logo. Alright, well currently we only have one Fighting Hawks logo. Does that mean it is going to be like this forever? Likely not as you can look around the country and see schools with multiple logos for their athletic teams. So what can you do? Complaining and resisting the current logo and publically bashing it every chance you get is not going to do any good. the logo is still going to be around. A better way to see change is maybe write letters to the people that can actually make change. Send an email to Kennedy, to Chaves. Start a petition for UND to think about adapting a new secondary logo. See what you can accomplish when you focus your efforts on something that actually has a chance to create change. Not saying that that is going to make a difference either. but is sure as heck better than sitting on the highway pouting about it.

Wondering how things are going with UMKC and playing in the WAC. We all know what that kind of travel can do to an athletic budget. They are right in the "129 Corridor" so to speak that the Summit is moving more towards. I wonder if their budget issues with travel will catch up with them and they would consider coming back.

The current turf at the Alerus was installed in 2013. Not sure what the lifespan of the turf is, so I am not sure if replacing it after 7 years is too soon or if it can last longer. The initial cost to install the Magic Carpet II System was 4 million dollars. they replaced it for free in 2013 for free. I am only guessing but I assume the entire system (turf, blowers underneath to lift up the turf in order to roll it up, storage containment , etc) cost 4 million. The cost to replace just the turf would be much less. So, if UND/Alerus is looking to replace the turf, it's not going to be the 4M initial cost it originally paid back in 2012 when it was first installed. Given the fact that UND has a new logo, new script, and are going to be in a new conference, I would anticipate new turf for the 2020 season when UND enters the MVFC. The Alerus has worked with UND (Gameday committee) has made may improvements in the past 2 years to making the Alerus the "Home of UND football." That being said, I think we can anticipate seeing the Fighting Hawks logo at midfield when it gets replaced.

Unfortunately the Alerus decided to put two massive Alerus logos alteadyvat midfield so it would look waybto crowded. It’s not like the Fargodome where you have two text lines on either side of the logo. You would have 3 Lois at midfield. Way to busy. I am fairly confident that when it gets replaced, you will see the logo at midfield. The Alerus has already shown they comitement to working with UND in their rebranding efforts. Something the Ralph refuses to do.

I hope you sense the sarcasm. Hence the winkey emoji!

Should have just gone with this logo. Even the diehard #Siouxforever fans would be for this!!

4 logos used at center ice at the Ralph.