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The interlocking logo was at center ice at the old Ralph. But when a new logo was created, in a crazy scheme to "shove it down our throats" the powers that be decided to put it at center ice as well as thousands of other places throughout the arena.

Yeah, spending money to put the schools athletic logo on the buildings their athletic teams play in is something you rarely see schools spend money on. Give me a break.

When the current turf was installed in 2013, UND did not have a nickname. The logo was set to be replaced within 4 years, so the Alerus likely knoew that any logo at midfield would be outdated before it was time to replace the turf. You can't blame the Alerus for not wanting a logo that would be outdated in just 4 years at midfield. Given the amount changes done to the building in regards to displaying the new Fighting Hawks logo, I can guarantee the Fighting Hawks logo will be at midfield when it is time to replace it.

Not sure about the teams spring practice, but the new facilities plans looking pretty good at KU http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article174926821.html https://kuathletics.com/news/2018/4/18/construction-begins-on-ku-indoor-football-facility.aspx?path=football and Indiana as well!! http://www.idsnews.com/article/2018/03/specconstruction

Or at least 52% of the cost!

No one said that. And no one has ever claimed they want that. There is a balance of remembering the old name and logo and embracing the new. Nobody is suggesting that all the fighting Sioux logos go away. Kind of impossible at the Ralph. Just a willingness to show the Fighting Hawks at the venues where the teams play. It's not erasing the past. And it's not "shoving it down your throats". We were all Fighting Sioux fans and nobody wants to erase that from our history. Moving forward is something that we all must do as well.

- 100% of football ticket revenue - higher percentage of all other ticket revenue to UND - Support UND in its rebranding effort (starting with the request to put the Fighting Hawks logo at mid court at the Betty.) Not asking for the world here. Just a few minor tweaks to a contract that has remained unchanged for 17 years. A request that I think is fair and supports the notion that the REA and Engelstad Foundation are to benefit the interests of the University and not the other way around.

https://www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/2018/4/17/unlv-len-jessup-engelstad-family-foundation Article about the Engelstad Foundation pulling out of their UNLV donation. KEM with an ironic quote: “Even with philanthropy," McGarry continued, "it’s a transaction, and both parties have to fulfill their end, and they did not." Also some other great points in the article regarding the donor/University relationship. The main takeaway here should be abundantly clear by now. As universities become increasingly reliant on philanthropy, donors are wielding greater influence. Sometimes, this influence will clearly be for the greater good. Other times, this influence will lead to decisions that may be perceived as unfair, if not self-defeating and arbitrary. This fact opens up a Pandora's Box of questions, which include: Should a handful of donors have such a disproportionate amount of influence over a state school system? (It's less than ideal.) Would we be having this discussion if the Engelstad Family Foundation was rescinding, say, a $500,000 donation? (It's highly unlikely.) And, perhaps most importantly, is this any way to fund a university? (Fair enough, but what's the alternative?)

At every University in the country there is one sport that is the "cash cow" for the athletic department and financially supports the other programs. Nothing new. Is it wrong for the basketball program at NDSU to benefit off of the money the football program brings in every year? Some sports are more profitable than others. The fact that the hockey program brings in more money doesn't entitle them to be the only program that benefits. UND is lucky to have program that is as profitable as the hockey program. But that doesn't mean others have to suffer because they are not as profitable.

To sum up, UND signed a contract with REA and the Engelstad Foundation 17 years ago. This contract is to be reviewed every year. Previous Presidents have just signed it with no issue and business goes on as usual. There is a reason that the deal was setup to be negotiated and agreed upon every year. To adjust to changes that are inevitable to happen. Since 2001, UND has moved all sports to Division 1, gone through a complete re branding of it's athletic program with the adoption of a new name and logo, and has had budget cuts that has forced programs to be completely cut. So so say things aren't the same as they were in 2001 is an understatement. Kennedy recognizes this and simply suggests that the deal be re negotiated so that the intent of the "gift" can serve its initial purpose and that is to benefit the University of North Dakota. Asking that UND received more in ticket revenue (especially football), helping UND with their re branding campaign by displaying the new logo more, and inquiring on where all the extra revenue goes(that is supposed to go to the University) are not outlandish things to bring up.

UND takes the field on offence and you remember who is calling the plays......

Yeah, she is kind of a Rebel.....

http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/education/4448700-engelstad-arena-governed-complex-mix-entities

Go Big or go home!!!

2 words....smart phones. Before they existed, all you could do as a fan at the game was stay fully engaged in what was going on the ice or the people around you. No fans (and to a greater extent students) bury their head in their phones for much of the game creating a stale, dull atmosphere. Certainly not jsut a problem here, but a problem all over the country. Not sure what you can do to change that.

https://www.google.com/search?q=college+bird+logos&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS781US781&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjfu-TcwI_bAhXL7IMKHRXFBtwQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=905 Would people prefer any of these logos? Are these so much better? People complain about the Fighting Hawks name being unoriginal. Should UND have further perpetuated that by choosing another bird logo like all these others?!!

Denver did a nice job with theirs.

Looks better already. Personally i would so like NDSU does and remove the black circle at the middle. Most schools find a way to make it suttle on the court. Also make it bigger, again like the size of he Bison logo. Fighting Hawks on one end, Norb Dakots ok the other. If you can mock that up, hat would be awesome!!

Fan of the program or fan of the logo. You are obviously the later.

Some may thing that our fighting Hawks logo at midcourt would look bad. Well, it could be worse.....

So, does that mean the court repainting is put on hold?!

Looks like we have another nickname controversy!!

Typically you aren't going to admit you are hypocritical. Not something someone admits to and is proud of. I get it that it isn't EXACTLY the same situation. But you have to acknowledge the similarities at the root of the issue.

So you were told that the logo for the school you cheer for wasn't acceptable. And now you are doing the same thing and saying the logo of that same school is unacceptable. The definition of a hypocrite. Truth hurts.