Ringers yes. They always played at the highest level so I wouldn't call them sandbaggers. Always fun to beat them....probably 5 out of 40 or so against teams with Tharaldson as a sponsor. Was lucky enough to be a part of and help put together the Tharaldson 40+ team that finished 2nd in the 40+ National tournament. Found out what it was like to have everyone at the ballpark rooting against you. Until we were the only North Dakota team left and even then I think some were rooting for the teams from Alabama, California, and Kentucky.