CMSioux

Yes the year they went 3-8. That was also the year all the genuises on the chat rooms were calling to fire Bohl and all his coordinators. Dang - guess their AD doesn't listen to the chat rooms the way ours does. Not saying a change isn't needed just saying this thread continues to fuel negativity that isn't necessary. Just sayin (oh and I do beleve that all opinioins are still welcome in a chat room.)

It will be the same eight posters in a daisy chain - either breaking their arms patting themselves on the back or walking out on the ledge.

That's your right - yest somehow they still managed to meet their $324 million goal this year.

There is a UND BIllboard on the way to Minneapolis on I-94 - guess this means we are kicking every college in Minnesota's butt !!!! Oh but there is also a Jamestown College Billboard on the same road so guess that means they are also kicking butt.

It's all been said - see you in the Fire Hak thread.

FU continues to be the "Chris Farley" of the Dakota Higher Education Institutions, always stumbling over themselves and getting caught with their pants down while trying to remind everyone that "We're a pretty big deal.".

I think the difference in opinion is driven by a difference in priorities. Is it a priority that UND field a quality football team -yes Is it a priority that UND becomes competitive in the Big Sky - which means vying for the championship annually in future years - yes Is it a priority that the program graduates its student athletes - yes Is it a priority that the program have a high standard for the off-field conduct of its student athletes - yes Is charactor important when it comes to recruiting student athletes for UND - yes Is going 11-0 or 10-1 more important than any of the above - no

All of them.- don't bash me for my loyalty.

If we can keep this civil I'll chime in. I don't think they are going to hold attendance against this staff - the schedule was less than appealing during the transitional years - Lamar, Southern Oregon.... once people leave they find something else to fill their Saturdays with. There is also the fact that Grand Forks is a hockey town and anything else comes in second. The proof is in annually selling out an exhibition game with Manitoba. Some expected that attendance would pick up with the Big Sky and winning will put butts in the seat, then again you could also say that they might never sell 11,000 tickets consistently in this town, for numerous reasons we would all list. In the final years of the NCC I do remember going to games that had conference championship and play off implications that weren't sold out - so it might just be what it is.

Where have you been? My sentiments exactly. Of course sideline antics, academcs, behaviorial issues need to be addressed - to maintain the integrity of the program and the school - and that is where the administration can step if - IF they see it as an issue because they see the big picture. I think our biggest problem is too many are comparing where we are with another school - they have their warts too, but winning covers up warts as we all know. I also think that when a good coach finds members of his team are more problems than they are worth there needs to be some housecleaning there - which results in more losing until the ship is righted - so it becomes a can't win sitatuation for the staff. Of course we have all seen coaches at all levels that are willing to overlook trouble players and team integrity for the sake of winning.

Sorry it's been proven that anything posted here other than "We need to clean house and it starts with Muss" is met with "your head is in the sand, you are willing to accept losing, etc." I would like to read some ideas for improvement that are based on more than just conjecture,spite, anger and bar stool philosphy. Anyone willing to double what they are current donating to the Champion's Club so they have more than $110.000 to offer a new coach - of course that gets the answer "I'm not giving a dime until Muss is gone" - cop out. Again there are ways to have constructive discussions on the state of the football program without going negative. If you can't figure out how - that's part of the problem here.

Except for the insults thrown at players - highly doubt a parent will enjoy seeing that.

The question was asked what do I think the source of the problem is. Unlike others I don't have the information to answer that question - Oh I could guess, post insults, beat down anyone who doesn't agree with the thread but in the end it's Faisen's job to come up with that answer (fortunately he has many of you to help him). I'm sure he has all the necessary information to identify and deal with it. What I do think and have shared is that the source of the solution is not mocking the staff or players on a public website or mocking any other poster who feels that way. I do believe it will have an impact on recruiting because in this day and age you can bet plenty of parents and relatives are going to school fan sites to check out the attitude of the fans and when they see "Fire Coach" it's not going to sit well with them. As has been said everyone is allowed to voice their opinion it just gets a little ridiculous when so called school supporters take it to such extreme negative levals. As has been mentioned they were picked to finish 7th - not that we have to accept that as inevitable, but it does say that based on where we are as a team right now we have some building to do - sure it's okay to feel we should finish higher but when it doesn't happen what's the purpose of going insultingly balistic on the players and team publicly? I guess the answer to that is you feel it is your right to post -which it is, just as it is mine - but it appears if you are not willing to go negative with the minions you will be mocked along with the team and school. All I've ever tried to communicate is that I don't think it is productive or supportive of the school or team to be cynical, negative and insulting on a public forum. And I guess here I am in the minority. .

I'll PM you.

Actually most schools have a flier they make readily available to alumni that spells out what you can and can't do. You pretty much can't do anything. You can't even walk up to a high school senior in your own home town and say UND is a great school. that's a violation so I think we can assume that Lakes is violating NCAA rules if he is doing any kind of communciations with any high school seniors - DLSioux I would say if you know how to submit it do it - also you gonna be there on the 9th I'm bringing chili.

My bad you guys got it right, this tough season means we won't get any quality recruits, (even if they were interested the staff is so clueless they don't know who to recruit), the staff and UND admin needs to hear trash talk from you to know what is best for the program, so keep trashing the team, the coaches the players you are spot on genuises, beat down anyone who has a different opinion, make fun of your fellow UND fans and their postings every chance you get as that is a sure way to make sure only like-minded rubes post here and of course there is only one right opinion, yours. I bow to your intelligence and class. I'm sure I'll get to enjoy your posts in hockey and basketball once the team loses a game or two and every year football doesn't meet your expecations. Keep up the good work sharing your support for UND sports programs and their student athletes in your own special way.

Oh god I'm being pulled down...the revelation was that this team just isn't very good (I knew they were average and no one expected them to roll through their top 10 schedule), no revelations that Fire Muss threads, insults, jokes at players expense are valuable or show any signs of intelligence.

I appreciate the intelligent reparte.

Nice how my point continues to be proven here.

First of all if you believe that it is productive to post name calling, jokes at UND and it's players expense and negative posts then I got nothing for you. Also there really is no discussion here as everytime someone posts a positive message saying things like - give it time, it was the toughest schedule in the country for a young team, freshman quarterbacks make freshman mistakes, How do you know what goes on in the locker room, calling for a coaches head isn't going to help the program or stop comparing us to other programs - the responses are "So you're happy with losing" "You must be Mussman's best friend", " or "If the only way to make a change is to go negative so be it", etc My comments are based on my opinion (which seems to be only allowed here if you agree with the minions) that you can have intelligent, respectful conversations about positive change and it doesn't have to include name calling, sarcasim, unfounded rumors etc. I never said Mussman should keep his job - I said that is up to UND and I don't think it does the program anygood to have a thread calling for the coaches head. If a change is needed there are highly paid, well educated professionals at UND whose job it is to make that decision. So is it okay to have a hundred page thread calling for the coaches head - sure - do I think it does the program any good or will result in anything positive - nope - just my opinion which is usually beat down and met with immature sarcasim. As has been shared by the Fire Mussman Crowd - "everyone is entitled to their opinion - if it agrees with mine."

Worked for Bobby Knight.

Wait a minute - so you are saying you should only post in threads that you agree with - that's not what has been written here previously "Everyone is entitled their opinion" "this is the place to have discussions." Got it - guess that only goes if the posters agree with what you are posting.

Now that's mature.

My bad, guess I'm the only one here that isn't smarter than Faison. Thanks for all I've learned here including: - Losing teams have no hope of recruiting their way out of a bad season. - If your team is having a losing season it's okay to bash them insistently in public forums - If you see something on the sidelines it's proof the coach has lost control of the team - If a coaching staff isn't jumping up and down on the sidelines it's proof they are bad coaches. - It's okay to call out individual student athletes and write about how bad they are in a public forum - Negativism, criticism, jokes poking fun at the team, sarcasm are all acceptable ways of showing you really care about your team - The administration at UND has no clue they need the guidance of chat rooms to see the way to a brighter future. - True fans always have at least one foot off the bandwagon at all times - A "Fire the Coach" thread is the best way to show that you truly care and support your team. I could go on but you all know the list better than I do. Sorry for taking your time away from writing all those emails and leaving all those phone messages for Faison. You better also get started on your Fire Hak messages for the first time the hockey team loses two games in a row.

So there is an example of the coaching staff holding players accountable. Just one example true - but we don't know what goes on in the locker room. Muss had a twitter pumping up the redshirts yesterday so perhaps the message is getting through - although if they read here and believe it they are probably assuming he's getting fired so they probably don't care what he says or does.