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Didn't the follow-up articles say things like "it's a long-ter process" and "we have no concrete plans right now." That makes me think that it's not going to be such as radical decision - you can bet they are talking with plenty of lawyers about what they can do and how to achieve it - banning logo clothing hard to imagine - banning hostile and abusive signs, clothing etc. and setting clear gudelines for punishments toward students involved that I can see.

From the Marquette story: Today’s Marquette players and students weren’t even born when the team was last known as the Warriors. Yet students still wear “Indian” headdresses to games and chant for the Warriors. So even recently Marquette lets students in the building wearing Native American Headresses? Wow - where are the cameras - sounds like they need to have a Walk for Change and a Native American Cultural Center on their campus - perhaps they would take UNDs?

Grand Forks Herald has a story that claims the shirts were "spotted at Springfest a local festival popular with UND students." I emailed the reporter and asked if that was a confirmed fact as I too had never read of anyone seeing the shirts at the community event, not held on UND property and not sanctioned by UND. I also think they should stop referring to them as students as that also alludes a connection to UND which appears not to be the case. If these stories were accurate they would read "A group of young adults posted images of themselves wearing t-shirts that could be considered racist toward Native Americans. The images appear to be taken at a private residence at a private party."

Buttfootball - but FU found money to overpay the new women's bb coach - how were ticket sales the last few years - UND averaged more than 800 per game. On an average home game Saturday in the fall UND sells 20,000 tickets (think about it you'll figure it out).

Doesn't seem like making the playoffs is the current criteria for scheduling out of conference games - watching DII or a parochial school is what you are getting now. By the way there are just as many UND fans who are fine with the game not happening again - we're good with our out of conference schedule against San Jose State, Utah, Stoney Brook (2013 playoff team), Wyoming - how's your out of conference schedule looking?

Another graduate of FU putting their degree to good use - a lap dog pushing buttons for Mike McFeeley. Once in awhile Mike even throws him a bone and lets him talk on the radio.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, just saying you can only control so much.

From Google Images - Ole Miss Tailgating - I have to admit it wasn't easy to find an image with the flag but as big as their tailgating is you can bet there are plenty of them that are bigger than 12" x 14".

Actually you could say they blew it - if they would have played us recently they would have 9 times out of 10 destroyed us by the time this gets scheduled - if ever - the playing field could be more level. (it's never going to be as unlevel as it would have been in the past 3 years.)

So by the end of that year, from 1997 to 1998, we went from a stadium full of flags to a stadium with no flags. And we did that by adopting a rule that you could not bring a pointed object into the stadium, whether it was an umbrella, a hot dog on a stick, or a flag on a stick. And we limited the size of flags and signs to something like 10 inches by 14 inches. So we were within the bounds of the First Amendment. . . . See reference to First Amendment - what they banned was not a shirt they banned "Pointed Objects".

That's where having a "Sioux Out" comes into play - promote through social media, local media and students to have EVERYONE shows up in Fighting Sioux clothing and let's see how they handle that.

I want to eat dessert for breakfast, I want to be able to drink beer and not gain weight, I want to have the Native American Cultural Center at UND closed - doesn't mean it's going to happen even if I do write and send out a press release.

So what can they ban - just the logo - anything that says Sioux, an eagle feather on a shirt? Someone in Grand Forks should oganize a "Spirit Walk" for UND Homecoming. Everyone meets at University Park in Fighting Sioux clothing and walks around the campus in a route returning to Univesity Park where a rally is held and people like Archie Fool Bear speak about the positives associated with the history of the Fighting Sioux logo. Not a rally to bring back the logo a rally to remember the history of it.

UND can only enforce what they have power over - advising employees that they shouldn't wear logo wear to work (check). I don't even see how they could prevent someone from wearing it to a concert or a play on campus - they could try but the actual enforcement would be a nightmare. Do you reall think The Ralph would go anywhere near a policy like that - no way - the already told the NCAA they weren't going to remove permanent logoes and The Ralph is privately owned. Tailgating at a football game - can you see campus police coming up to someone and telling them to change their shirt? What about if I park my vehicle near campus and take a walk across campus with a Fighting Sioux shirt on - are they going to jump out of the bushes and escort me off campus? It's just not enforceable. What about shirts that just say "Sioux Pride" or "Once a Sioux always a Sioux" are they going to set up a committee to decide what shirts are acceptable?

Nothing - UND will deal with it internally by reiterating that employees should not wear the logo while on the job. ND is not a police state - are they going to stop every vehicle entering campus to check for logos, are they going to search every student on campus. As I shared earlier I believe there already is an unspoken rule that UND employees can't wear the logo to work. This is just another stupid incident that a group of liberals needs to jump on for publicity.

You are just bad news - get a job, get a life. Let me repeat what has been shared but you must have missed it inbetween pizza deliveries - not a UND Function, Not UND students, pictures not taken on UND property - what would you like UND Administration to do - call a press conference and say "These kids have been through enough, we're going to let them have their day in court? Oh wait - they didn't break any laws to begin with.

I know I know...because Ralph said so that's why.

I'm already on double secret probation for spending too much time in chat rooms on company time.

That would be fine because clothes that say Fighitng Sioux are not considered hostile and abusive by the NCAA or mainstream. There are many Spirit Lake and Standing Rock SIoux that wear Fighting Sioux clothing. It's easy to throw out comments and cast stones when you don't know what you are talking about.

Are they going to have t-shirts made? (bad joke).

Once again you can see who will be benefiting from these sitatuions - it all points back at......"The Lawyers".

WIth your professional experience do you think it could ever realistically come to that?

Impossible. not gonna happen, totally uninforceable - the only thing UND can do is to use peer pressure by sending messages such as "We encourage everyone to support UND by wearing clothing that depicts the UND of the future" or something like that - I have already read similar language in UND communications to alumni.(although not much has been said about it, in fact just the opposite has been said in that they support everyone's right to wear what they want.)

Freedom of speech does come into play but it comes with repercussions - if these students aren't affiliated with any organization there really isn't anything that can be done to them. If the pictures were taken on private property is there anything that can be done? If you google Siouxper Dunk you will find a Twitter Account that bashes UND Administration for "allowing" people to wear these shirts - not sure that UND can do anything about it other than instructing their staff to not allow anyone wearing an offensive shirt to their event - which would be incredibly hard to monitor. It does pile on to the negative PR for UND but that can just as easily come from students fighting in alleys, falsifying signatures on petitions, shoplifting from stores. You really can't control how stupid people can be.

Have there been much local media coverage of this? I guess it's not illegal to be drunk and stupid - actually this was one of the reasons the liberals used for getting rid of the nickname - the inability of UND to control what fans from other schools do with the name - but the reality is making the name go away doesn't actually fix that.