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FG 17-17.

That's funny, because, just yesterday I was discussing with a work buddy of mine what he thought of the new student newspaper. We were looking at the section of the five people who gave their opionion on the nickname. My buddy said, quote, "Yeah, I bet they went out and took the first five people who spoke up for the nickname!" It's interesting how people can look at something and take away differing opinions, depending on their philosophical bent. That said, I think the alternative newspaper is a nice move for the campus community! I wish it much luck!

I thought KVLY's coverage was pretty slanted, as well.... just my opinion, Mikey, I mean, SiouxMeNow. Here's a little phrase you should learn before you criticize other media outlets-- "full disclosure." As a KVLY camera holder, you're not exactly unbiased are you, bud. That said, I agree with your shots on the Heraldo.

I think Goon hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what will happen... if no one volunteers. Marilyn isn't an official Herald/Forum Comm. employee.. Like Darrell Kohler and Naomi Dunavan, she is an adjunct columnist, getting paid by the line inch. They're not salaried, so they aren't affected directly buy the buyouts.

Quick edit: Not even if it's trash and drivel that we whole-heartedly disagree with. Thanks!

I totally agree. However, it's neither a "news story" nor is it "journalism." The letter in question is one man's twisted opinion on an extremely controversial issue. Letters-to-the editor, editorials and other content on the Op/Ed pages are not to be considered "news stories," the same as advertisements are not. The Herald may censor things from its news pages or Op/Ed pages, but I think most on this message board would agree, that we should not be advocating for censorship of any kind. Not even if it's trash and drivel that we whole-heartedly agree with. For as much as I read on here the mantras denouncing PC ideology and calls to support the 2nd Amendment, the NRA and the like, I would assume that most on this board would also stand by everyone's right to an opinion (unless it is libelous, of course.) I say let John Hoff and the other anti-name crowd spew their twisted logic as much as they want. It only helps to expose them for the nuts they are. And, while we're at it, I say let's give the Herald a back-handed pat on the back for printing this garbage and for helping the cause of those who want to support the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.

I can't believe you bit on this one, BisonDan. Have fun.

The Washington Times printed this? That's the most conservative-leaning, anti-pc paper this side of the Wall Street Journal. What gives? I guess it's not just the bleeding-heart liberal rags that can't get their facts straight.

I don't love or hate the Herald. I just read it regularly like you and most everyone else on here. I was just trying to add my two cents on why I thought the story got buried. I was not defending anyone. I was not justifying anyone's actions either. Fact is: they were late on the story for whatever reason. So they touched on it and moved on. If they would have dwelled on it, they would have had to explain why they didn't notice the charged were dismissed in a month a go. If they had reported it the day of or the day after the court proceedings in question, the placement would have been different, I believe. I am saying they were embarrassed (and they should be) so they buried it. Do you understand my point now? I am being critical of the paper not supportive.

I think the burying had more to do with the paper being so embarrassed that it took them so long to discover that the charges were dropped (May!!! I mean, c'mon) than with some kind of conspiracy to downplay it.

But I thought enrollment wasn't indicative of quality of education? Hasn't that been the mantra of NDSU for decades? You finally convince me, and then you start putting out a different vibe. What gives?

When did this turn into a SU message board? I liked it better when it was back-and-forth smack between us and them. This whole thing with Bison fans chatting with each other on a Fighting Sioux board just isn't right. By the way, I like when people think outside the box ( I hate that term), but let's keep the game on this side of the Red River. And let's get it going again quickly.

Oh yeah! -- My dad can kick your dad's a$$!

I understand your point... but I hardly think UND's use of the nickname and logo has any bearing on the legacy of the Sioux people and whether they're remembered or not. We fans may try to inflate it to that level, but let's be realistic. Go Sioux, Beat BC!

Sadly, SoonerNSioux, you are totally right on the money with your comment. You call it like it is.

The editorial board of the Herald opined a few years ago that it would be in the best interest of the institution (more than athletics) to move toward a new nickname. Members of the editorial board that I know personally and my read on them: Editor/publisher Mike Jacobs remains a passionate supporter of UND athletics, though he is conflicted, when it comes to the nickname. He's not the one leading the charge on the editorial board to change the name, but he also wouldn't cry if it eventually changed. Despite the nickname, he still is a fervent follower of UND athletics for as many events as I see him attend. Opinion editor Tom Dennis: Not sure of his stance totally. He is not an alum and comes to North Dakota from out of state ... Pennsylvania. I think he would advocate for a change if all tribal members had a chance to vote on the issue and it came out strongly against the name. If it came out the other way, I could see him support keeping the name. Managing editor Kevin Grinde: He is an East Grand Forks resident, Bemidji State grad, former outdoors writer and all out Fighting Sioux supporter nickname and all, no if's and's or buts. Columnist Doreen Yellowbird: We all know her stance. CFO Anita Geffre: Don't know her stance. So you can see the editorial board as individuals, as I know it, are not slam-dunk against the name. Although as I wrote earlier, they (as a whole) did advocate for "a gentle nudge" toward changing the name a few years ago. It would have been interesting to know how each member voted on that editorial. As for the rest of the newsroom, it is by far a more favorable environment for nickname support. The entire sports department is behind the nickname and logo, save maybe sports editor Kevin Fee, who tends to take a don't-care-either-way approach. Joe Marks, UND beat writer, tends to write stories that are both favorable to the nickname cause and detrimental to it, so I see him as doing what a good reporter should, and that is report both sides of the issue. I know a bunch of reporters who are dyed-in-the wool Sioux fans and always have been, and they hate when they're lumped in with the editorial board, when people talk about the Herald's take on the nickname. Bottomline: The newspaper is not cut-and-dried against the nickname, no matter what the conspiracy theorists say.

"Get Smart," McFeely. Bakken has nothing to do with this. It's all McFooly's doing here. Let's not confuse the issue. Bakken is as big a Sioux homer as we are.

Way to go Drew! A five-point night (3G, 2A) and the No. 1 Star for the game in a 10-to-1 rout of the Thrashers!

Below is the story from the Herald that someone referenced earlier about K Dawg and Gretz Grand Forks Herald (ND) November 15, 1998 Section: A Edition: FINAL Page: 01 ONE OF `THE BOYS' MARK KAUK IS GREATER GRAND FORKS' NO. 1 SPORTS FAN Ryan Bakken, Herald Staff Writer At age 6, Mark Kauk was still playing with toddler toys when his mother brought home baseball cards one day. His life changed forever. He'd set those cards out on his bed, put all the players in their real positions and make his own game, Betty Kauk said. It was his own little world. He'd do the same with hockey, basketball and football cards, too. Sometimes, he'd use a scissors to cut out their body silhouettes to make them look more lifelike. He'd get drink stir sticks shaped like hockey sticks and tape them to the NHL playing cards. THIS POST EDITED BY GDM: Please do not copy and paste entire articles onto this site. The reason is left below. Thank you. Copyright

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Your opinion does hold some merit. But we need to get something straight. We in the public and on this message board tend to laud all the positive things that Sioux hockey players do and seldom turn a critical eye to the way the media inflates the run-of-the-mill ordinary stuff they do on and off the ice. I think we need to understand -- whether right or wrong -- that the media pendulum swings both ways. Why do we tend to be OK with the Herald inflating the fluffy feel-good stuff about the hockey players? And then, why all of a sudden do we come down on the them for delivering a perceived negative message? I know, 'cause we're fans and this our right. But, I'm seeking a deeper understanding into our demands of the media. I think whether the mugshot is necessary is debatable. I don't think it really matters. I think the paper has a responsibility to do things the way it wants (within the law) independent of what fans on a Fighting Sioux message board think. We've got to face it, the Sioux hockey players are big celebs in this town, we made them that way. Donning the UND sweater comes with new responsibilities that their nonhockey playing classmates don't have to deal with. Fair or not, those are the facts. We can't put them on a pedestal one minute when the press is good, and then, turn around the next minute and say the hockey players are just like any other Joe Smoe student (and should be treated as such), when the chips are down. I don't think the paper should coddle the players by running more flattering mugshots. I also don't think the press should pump up their exploits when it's not merited (and I think we all can find examples of cheerleader journalism in the Herald about the UND hockey team). Note to Herald editors and reporters: Leave that kind of behavior to fans like us. As for whether other prominent officials get their mugs in the paper or not when they get in trouble with the law. I would be willing to bet they would (even for DUI) if the press found out about it. UND's public relations machine sent out a statement about the TJ Oshie incident. Kudos to UND for being forthright and honest. When most of us get in trouble, or get DUIs, I don't think our employers send out press releases on our mishaps, alerting the press. If the Herald found out, or was tipped off, to a public official or a prominent person, UND athletes included (again, because, WE have made them stars), you can guarantee it would be on Page 1A with a jailbird mug staring right back at you. Public interest is what dictates this, and whether you like it or not, many people who don't frequent this message board but who love or hate Sioux hockey as much, want to see TJ's mug. The media feeds this interest. Food for though.