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If you think it needs to be flexible, I suppose you agree with the outrage by many, that a third vote is warranted. Guarantee you that won't happen, even though it should. There is a reason we wanted to narrow it down to two-- to get the name that the majority wants. That may happen, but it's possible you won't know for sure with three names.

Yes it needs to be flexible at the whims of one individual! That my friend is how you get the conspiracy theories. When you've got people who have defended vehemently a choice that happened to be third, and they are saying stick to the process, you know the process has been unacceptable.

Maybe they need to hire another consultant to see how to mend all of the fences being broken. The Grand Forks Herald told us long before we hired a consultant what our name would consist of, and sure enough, the consultant along with Kelley ran roughshod over this process to give us what the Herald said we would be all along. Congratulations on being the 400th bird name! Really used all that criteria we were told for providing suggestions, that they had no plan on using themselves. Thanks for wasting all of our time and energy in this process while sowing discontent.

What is the traditional margin of error needed before a recount in an election? It seems to me over 100 votes is a lot for how many votes were cast between Roughriders and Nodaks. The question needs to be asked where was he going to draw the line. Kelley just continues to cause dissent in the UND fan and Alumni base by his lack of foresight.

It sure would have been nice if at the end of the Boston University game last year at the Frozen Four if someone had said you came back just about all the way and were so close we decided to give you an extra 5 minutes to try and catch up. You simply can't change the rules at the last second. This isn't a dictatorship!

Then that should have been foreseen before they made the rules. They could have said there could be up to 5 names in a vote off if they all fall within a margin of error. The fact they didn't cover all bases when they had already pissed many people off beyond belief, well, is just beyond belief!

.. which doesn't appear to hold their fans' interest. Nice try though.

Exactly. I have asked the question several times on what name would be good then, and met with no answer.

That is embarrassing. Don should be begging to play UND so they can get some excitement back into their fan base.

Thought he interfered by pushing the goalie back, and he couldn't get back into position to make the play, even though he was out of the crease when the puck crossed the line.

Was Teddy Roosevelt from Canada?

It amazes me how people are constantly talking about connection. Lewis and Clark were here, and really everywhere across the west, for a very short period of time, but there are towns, lakes, schools, roads, etc. named in just about every state they traveled through after them. Just a tourism play? Yeah, perhaps in some circumstances, but it is an homage to their place in history.

Based solely on numbers and how young he is, I would hope we are keeping in touch with Eeli Tolvanen. Hopefully they can use Janatuinen to help in his recruitment.

... Says the guy who was pushing Hawks. Any teams named Hawks out there?

Why not the Mighty Daks!

Frankly, I would like to see a few logos. Maybe one with the rider with the sword shown above, one with the horses head like Cedar Rapids then you could intermingle them as front of the jersey logos and arm patches. Wouldn't mind seeing the crossed sabers as arm patches, but don't know if that would fly or not. Maybe if you create a logo with the ND and the crossed sabers combined.

If you think the vitriol is palpable now, wait until you see the debate when it comes down to two names. The Grand Forks Herald will be pushing the debate, and I have a feeling those people in athletics will be pushing hard trying to sway people.

Yeah because his time paying his dues really helped his coaching career. If you find a coach you perceive will do well, you don't have to keep going down the same old path that obviously doesn't always work.

It's like someone else pointed out, that Fighting Irish is used by a local high school team in Indiana as well. Who knew?

I have to laugh at how they think these names are funny, but they are a pest rodent that everyone wants to exterminate. In other words they are a bunch of gopher _'holes. See how that works. They may able to say Nodicks or Roughrider condoms, but their name can be messed with as well. And really, if they choose to stoop to the lowest common denominator, it is more of a reflection on them and their maturity level than us.

We are not suggesting we become the University of North Dakota Roosevelts. We are suggesting Roughriders, which is a name that fits the Old West image of the state. The nickname of the regiment could very well have been "The Boxers" or something pertinent to what he was all about when he lived in the east, but the name originated because of the time he spent as a rancher in North Dakota. I think the name originating out of his North Dakota experience is a good tie. How many schools across the country are named after Presidents Lincoln, Washington, Kennedy, etc. as a means of honoring them, when they might have never stepped foot in the state? Nodak supporters say that the name is open ended and you can do what you want with a logo. Even if you perceive Roughriders as far removed from TR, it is consistent with the image of the Old West. If someone said their time at UND made them what they became, do you not think UND would be promoting that left and right. Even if they didn't say it, they would be drawing connections. Eddie Belfour and Phil Jackson are just a few that UND promotes as one of their own. Eddie Belfour was here one year. No, they are not trying to name a nickname after them, but we aren't trying to do that with Roughriders either, just the connection that resulted in the name being born.

Don't believe I've called anyone stupid, or a racist, but yeah I've posted stuff to support my agenda. Personally, I wouldn't go to those lengths, but to each his own.

No, not saying you falsified anything, just thinking it is hard to know the real pulse with a small sample size. I think I get a good inkling from a bunch of people I know, only to be surprised when I sample more of them. Some input from campus is better than none, no matter the sample size, especially for those of us that are completely out of touch with the mindset.

Well I'm glad you can throw the racist card out there like Al Sharpton to further your agenda. Almost as bad as people calling people that supported the Fighting Sioux nickname racist when they knew it was a source of pride, not mockery! There may actually come a time where people will look back, much like people are with Roosevelt, and say what were those people thinking, using a Native American image as a logo.

yeah, to the point of calling an American hero a racist, not taking the times he lived in into consideration. Heck, we should rename all of the schools in this nation named after Washington and Lincoln because of their racist views!