[Sioux-cia]

sioux7>5, on Jul 11 2006, 04:22 PM, said:

Can someone help me out and send me a link to where I can find out what the logo means, represents. I know each feather means something and I need to cite my work for my paper I am writing reagrding UND keeping the name. I just cna not find it right now. Thanks to all who help. Go Sioux and SIOUX forever!

Here's a link for ya!

http://www.universityrelations.UND.edu/log...rtist_logo.html

[PCM]

This Associated Press story has some of the facts wrong, but one thing it successfully does is portray the NCAA policy as being a hopelessly inconsistent mess.

Schools fight back on NCAA mascot ban
Officials say move haphazard, uneven; most just unhappy with decision

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Some university presidents are upset by what they call the NCAA’s inflammatory rhetoric.

In announcing the ban, NCAA president Myles Brand said the 18 schools were deemed to have “hostile” or “abusive” images, mascots or nicknames.

North Dakota president Charles Kupchella wonders why his school was included. The school has had tribal permission to use the nickname — a position now under review by the tribe. And the logo, Kupchella said, was designed by an American Indian.

EDIT: As Flatland point out below, this story is from Sept. 10, 2005, and is clearly out of date. Sorry about that.

This post has been edited by PCM: 25 July 2006 - 08:22 AM

[Flatland]

PCM, on Jul 25 2006, 12:46 AM, said:

This Associated Press story has some of the facts wrong, but one thing it successfully does is portray the NCAA policy as being a hopelessly inconsistent mess.

Schools fight back on NCAA mascot ban
Officials say move haphazard, uneven; most just unhappy with decision

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Some university presidents are upset by what they call the NCAA’s inflammatory rhetoric.

In announcing the ban, NCAA president Myles Brand said the 18 schools were deemed to have “hostile” or “abusive” images, mascots or nicknames.

North Dakota president Charles Kupchella wonders why his school was included. The school has had tribal permission to use the nickname — a position now under review by the tribe. And the logo, Kupchella said, was designed by an American Indian.

I'm not so sure about it being incorrect or more that it is out of date. The article is from last Sept. A lot has changed since then.

Does anybody know the current status of a lawsuit?

[PCM]

Flatland, on Jul 25 2006, 01:03 AM, said:

I'm not so sure about it being incorrect or more that it is out of date. The article is from last Sept. A lot has changed since then.

DOH!

You're right. I didn't even look at the date. Dang google news alerts!

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Does anybody know the current status of a lawsuit?

Unofficially, the last I heard was that an injunction or something would be filed before the start of the new school year. Other than that, I haven't heard much.

[sioux7>5]

Sioux-cia, on Jul 11 2006, 09:52 PM, said:

sioux7>5, on Jul 11 2006, 04:22 PM, said:

Can someone help me out and send me a link to where I can find out what the logo means, represents. I know each feather means something and I need to cite my work for my paper I am writing reagrding UND keeping the name. I just cna not find it right now. Thanks to all who help. Go Sioux and SIOUX forever!

Here's a link for ya!

http://www.universityrelations.UND.edu/log...rtist_logo.html

Thanks for your help by the way. I did my paper showingmwhy UND should get to keep the name and I hit it out of the ballpark, my Nazi instructor loved it and said it was great. So Thanks to all you sent me info that I could use, it is greatly appreaciated.

[PCM]

From the Associated Press:

Attorney general says his office is working on nickname lawsuit

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Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem says his office is working on details of a lawsuit against the NCAA over the University of North Dakota's Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.

Stenehjem said his assistant, Tag Anderson, met this week with officials of UND and the Ralph Engelstad Arena, which he said may have legal claims of its own.

[Sioux-cia]

PCM, on Jul 27 2006, 11:06 PM, said:

From the Associated Press:

Attorney general says his office is working on nickname lawsuit

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Stenehjem said his assistant, Tag Anderson, met this week with officials of UND and the Ralph Engelstad Arena, which he said may have legal claims of its own.

Interesting.....

[GeauxSioux]

Interesting article on the history of nicknames.

http://small-business-help69651.blogspot.c...-could-wax.html

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The matter isn't going away anytime soon. Now the NCAA --- college sports' governing body --- has decreed that any university with a Native American mascot can neither host a championship event nor use their mascot in any championship event. Some schools have successfully been granted exceptions, which makes even less sense to me. Does this mean that Florida State's Seminoles, for example, are less demeaning to Native Americans than North Dakota's Fighting Sioux (a traditional college hockey power)? How hypocritical is that? If they're contending that degrees of discrimination exist due to local circumstances, then they're admitting to a targeted sensitivity beyond society's pale, which is discriminatory in itself. How can such a position be rationalized with a clear conscience?

I never tire of hearing North Dakota noted as a hockey power or hockey powerhouse.

[dmksioux]

GeauxSioux, on Aug 2 2006, 10:52 PM, said:

Interesting article on the history of nicknames.

http://small-business-help69651.blogspot.c...-could-wax.html

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The matter isn't going away anytime soon. Now the NCAA --- college sports' governing body --- has decreed that any university with a Native American mascot can neither host a championship event nor use their mascot in any championship event. Some schools have successfully been granted exceptions, which makes even less sense to me. Does this mean that Florida State's Seminoles, for example, are less demeaning to Native Americans than North Dakota's Fighting Sioux (a traditional college hockey power)? How hypocritical is that? If they're contending that degrees of discrimination exist due to local circumstances, then they're admitting to a targeted sensitivity beyond society's pale, which is discriminatory in itself. How can such a position be rationalized with a clear conscience?

I never tire of hearing North Dakota noted as a hockey power or hockey powerhouse.

Good read...I particularily enjoyed the Idaho high school team name at the end of the article.

[PCM]

From a Philadelphia Inquirer sports column by Don McKee:

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What?The College of William and Mary is one of the nation's oldest and most distinguished.

According to the NCAA, it also is one of the nation's most hostile and prejudiced.

The college was one of more than 30 institutions originally cited by the NCAA as having a nickname - the Tribe - and logo that create a hostile environment because of their depiction of Native Americans.

The Tribe appealed, and the NCAA relented on the nickname. But on Thursday, the association reiterated its ruling that the school's logo had to go.

The logo consists of a capital WM and two feathers.

This is of note for two reasons. One, the NCAA has ruled that the Florida State Seminoles, and their logo and mascot, are perfectly acceptable. Two, William and Mary has one of the nation's best records in graduating athletes.

Apparently, having a gilt-edged academic record counts for nothing. And how two feathers are offensive when a guy riding a horse in a loin cloth with a spear is OK beats me.

Just as William & Mary's record of graduating student athletes makes no difference to the NCAA, neither does UND's educational programs and services for American Indians.

[ScottM]

Bear Butte Dispute

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Alex White Plume, president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe, told Kempthorne that poverty, a shortage of law enforcement officers and education funding, and the proliferation of methamphetamine were among the largest problems on the reservations.

Obviously, Mr. White Plume needs to be "educated" by Herr Brand's storm troopers on just how the Sioux name/logo is really the cause for all his tribes' problems.

Edit: New linky, same story. Bear Butt Pt.2

[sioux7>5]

ScottM, on Aug 7 2006, 08:42 AM, said:

Bear Butte Dispute

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Alex White Plume, president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe, told Kempthorne that poverty, a shortage of law enforcement officers and education funding, and the proliferation of methamphetamine were among the largest problems on the reservations.

Obviously, Mr. White Plume needs to be "educated" by Herr Brand's storm troopers on just how the Sioux name/logo is really the cause for all his tribes' problems.

What there are other problems on a reservation. I am shocked and dismayed....While I can not be both, you shocked and I will be dismayed.

[Goon]

ScottM, on Aug 7 2006, 09:42 AM, said:

Bear Butte Dispute

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Alex White Plume, president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe, told Kempthorne that poverty, a shortage of law enforcement officers and education funding, and the proliferation of methamphetamine were among the largest problems on the reservations.

Obviously, Mr. White Plume needs to be "educated" by Herr Brand's storm troopers on just how the Sioux name/logo is really the cause for all his tribes' problems.

Is there an up todate link to that article, its not found anymore.

[PCM]

Goon, on Aug 7 2006, 12:55 PM, said:

Is there an up todate link to that article, its not found anymore.

Try this link to a story in the Chicago Tribune.

[Goon]

Thanks PCM.

[Sioux-cia]

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"Imagine sitting in a church or sitting in a synagogue, trying to have a … prayer service, and you have half a million bikes running by every minute of the day and night for three weeks," said Debra White Plume, a Lakota Sioux from the nearby Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. "That's what the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally does to this environment."

I'm confused (yeah, yeah, I know!). Have the 26 places of worship in Sturgis closed? Or is Bear Mountain the only 'recognised' place of worship? If those 26 places of worship are still open for prayer services, masses, etc. is there going to be a five mile motorcycle/drinking/partying ban around them? Or maybe they don't count because Jews, Christians, etc. haven't been in the Americas as long as Native Americans?

Ya know, I'm not totally unsymptathetic with their concerns. What bothers me is the attitude that their religious rights are more important than anyone else's. No, they haven't come out and said it but I haven't read anywhere that they include other religions in their 'stop the noise, drinking, and partying around sacred places of worship'.

[redwing77]

Sioux-cia, on Aug 7 2006, 08:34 PM, said:

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"Imagine sitting in a church or sitting in a synagogue, trying to have a … prayer service, and you have half a million bikes running by every minute of the day and night for three weeks," said Debra White Plume, a Lakota Sioux from the nearby Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. "That's what the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally does to this environment."

I'm confused (yeah, yeah, I know!). Have the 26 places of worship in Sturgis closed? Or is Bear Mountain the only 'recognised' place of worship? If those 26 places of worship are still open for prayer services, masses, etc. is there going to be a five mile motorcycle/drinking/partying ban around them? Or maybe they don't count because Jews, Christians, etc. haven't been in the Americas as long as Native Americans?

Ya know, I'm not totally unsymptathetic with their concerns. What bothers me is the attitude that their religious rights are more important than anyone else's. No, they haven't come out and said it but I haven't read anywhere that they include other religions in their 'stop the noise, drinking, and partying around sacred places of worship'.

Sturgis is a motorcycle festival. Residents of Sturgis have to come to grips with it. And provided that the partying and drinking is done outside and not in an antagonistic or damaging way, then I really see no need to make a fuss. If these partiers were vandalizing or in some way threatening churchgoers before, during, or after services, that would be a different story entirely.

I don't like motorcycles that are loud, but they exist. What annoys me more is that bikers have to rev their engines every quarter of a block. But what would annoy me even more than both those two combined is having some "concerned citizen" walk up to me and say that I can't do that here because this road isn't for motorcycles or whatever reasons they can come up with. It's kind of like an issue a year back (or so) in the Moorhead, MN area regarding the building of a halfway house or minimum security place of some sort for drug addicts, severe alcoholics, and other people with addictions who have committed some criminal offense (that wasn't a big time crime so to speak). Everyone wanted these people to get help but nobody wanted the facility to be built near them.

[PCM]

I wonder if there are any casinos within 5 miles of a church, synagogue or mosque.

[Sioux-cia]

PCM, on Aug 7 2006, 10:21 PM, said:

I wonder if there are any casinos within 5 miles of a church, synagogue or mosque.

SNAP!!

[redwing77]

PCM, on Aug 7 2006, 10:21 PM, said:

I wonder if there are any casinos within 5 miles of a church, synagogue or mosque.

So what's your Grand Casino story?