jimdahl Posted November 12, 2006 Posted November 12, 2006 This was discussed in the football playoff selection thread, but probably ought to be noted here. UND is getting lonely on the list... NCAA says Newberry agrees to drop Indians nickname NCAA spokesman Bob Williams said Sunday the school was removed from the list Friday after it told the governing body about the planned change. "That's essentially the only way" Newberry would've been dropped from the NCAA's list, Williams said. It's funny, because what Newberry actually says is: Newberry College President, Dr. Mitchell M. Zais, has announced an accord has been reached with the NCAA that will allow the institution to host NCAA post-season contests on campus, should the College qualify. ... The College has informed the NCAA that it has initiated the process of examining its nickname with the goal of resolving its dispute with the NCAA by the fall of 2008. Guess they're just trying to let the fans down easy, telling them they're committed to "resolving the dispute" while telling the NCAA that they're dropping the name. Quote
UND92,96 Posted November 13, 2006 Posted November 13, 2006 For those scoring at home, how many schools from the original hit list are there remaining who haven't either agreed to change their name and/or logo, or been granted an exemption? Besides UND, I can only think of Illinois, Alcorn State and Arkansas State. Quote
LeftyZL Posted November 13, 2006 Posted November 13, 2006 Couldn't this effectively be a ploy by Newberry to be granted an exemption by the NCAA to be able to host play-off games for their teams this year? Hell, let's say after this football season is over or even this academic year, couldn't Newberry just come out and say "We've changed our mind. We now want to keep the name." What could the NCAA really do after the fact? It's not like the NCAA could take away the revenue Newberry made by hosting these play-off games. Maybe Newberry is just milking the system and the NCAA is playing right into it? Just another theory of mine... Quote
The Sicatoka Posted November 13, 2006 Posted November 13, 2006 Couldn't this effectively be a ploy by Newberry to be granted an exemption by the NCAA to be able to host play-off games for their teams this year? Hell, let's say after this football season is over or even this academic year, couldn't Newberry just come out and say "We've changed our mind. We now want to keep the name." What could the NCAA really do after the fact? It's not like the NCAA could take away the revenue Newberry made by hosting these play-off games. Maybe Newberry is just milking the system and the NCAA is playing right into it? Just another theory of mine... I had the same thought. Quote
HockeyMom Posted November 13, 2006 Posted November 13, 2006 I had the same thought. More power to Newberry if that's what they indeed have planned. I for one think it would be funny. Quote
mksioux Posted November 13, 2006 Posted November 13, 2006 Newberry will drop the nickname. This wasn't some stunt to pull a fast one by the NCAA to host games for one more year. As a Jimdahl said, the soft wording in their public letter was probably for the benefit of the stakeholders in favor of keeping the name. There will be a process that gives them a "voice" even though the outcome is predetermined. Quote
GeauxSioux Posted November 14, 2006 Posted November 14, 2006 Newberry dropping their nickname? As Lee Corso would say, "Not so fast my friend". Newberry agrees to change nickname because of improved athletics The accord gives Newberry until the fall of 2008 to make changes. But Zais and athletic director Andy Carter said many things could take place before then that might alter Newberry's course. Zais said he was closely watching a lawsuit brought by the University of North Dakota, which sought to stop the NCAA from prohibiting the school to host playoff games because of its Fighting Sioux nickname. This past weekend, a district judge granted the school a preliminary injunction and set a trial date for April 24. North Dakota will host Winona State in a first-round playoff game Saturday. Should North Dakota prevail, Zais said it could throw the NCAA's sanctions out the window and Newberry wouldn't have to change a thing. "A judge sees merit in the case," Zais said. "We'll be watching the outcome with interest." Quote
The Sicatoka Posted November 14, 2006 Posted November 14, 2006 We're left to do the heavy lifting again ... Quote
GeauxSioux Posted November 15, 2006 Posted November 15, 2006 Newberry players put aside NCAA debate for playoff game As Zais has said several times this week since the agreement was revealed, that the school was forced to choose between principle and denying its athletes the rewards that come with success. "I think the bottom line ... is that the NCAA put the college in an untenable position," Zais said Wednesday. "At the end of two years, we may end up changing our nickname, that is an option," Zais said. The agreement lets the school use its nickname and imagery until fall 2008. Zais is closely following a lawsuit brought by the University of North Dakota, also on the NCAA's list for its Fighting Sioux nickname. The trial is set for April 24 and Newberry leaders are hopeful a decision in North Dakota's favor would mean Newberry would not have to give up its nickname. Quote
GeauxSioux Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 Newberry College teams nickname banned A lot of thought about how ridiculous this is... “The NCAA has a gun to our head, and it’s not fair to our kids,” Walker said. “What the deal is, is our kids can’t compete on a fair basis if we keep the nickname. It’s political correctness gone amok.” “We’re bowing to the NCAA’s ridiculous ruling,” said Chuck Wendt, Newberry College’s vice president. “We had no chance. We had no choice. The only reason we did it was for the kids.” Quote
fourwindsboy Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 For those scoring at home, how many schools from the original hit list are there remaining who haven't either agreed to change their name and/or logo, or been granted an exemption? Besides UND, I can only think of Illinois, Alcorn State and Arkansas State. Actually, Arkansas State changed thiers at the recommendation of new president Dr. Robert Potts, the former Chancellor of the NDUS. Hmm.........very interesting. Quote
MplsBison Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 So UND is the only school left in the nation that has a Native American nickname? Quote
GeauxSioux Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 So UND is the only school left in the nation that has a Native American nickname? Seminoles, Utes, Illini, Chippewa, and I believe Braves are all still being used. Quote
Sioux-cia Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 Seminoles, Utes, Illini, Chippewa, and I believe Braves are all still being used. Aztecs. Quote
GeauxSioux Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 A knowledgeable source reminded me that the Mississippi College Choctaws were also granted a waiver by the NCAA. Quote
Chief Illiniwek Supporter Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 Aztecs. Sioux cia, its obvious that insults are stopped by national boundaries drawn on maps as well as the oceans. While everyone in California, Florida, Maine, etc. is insulted by the "hostile and abusive" use of Sioux and some other names. every single person in the continental USA realize that the Aztecs were originally from Mexico. So they can no more be insulted than the Irish, the Scandinavians, the Greek, etc. And within the lower 48, "Warriors" obviously ALWAYS means Indians. In Hawaii? Different meaning entirely. Sure, if you want to look at it from a cynical point of view it might have something to do with the lack of any Federally chartered Indian tribes in the Hawaiian Islands-but I'm sure there simply must be more to it than that. (Why state boundary lines on maps cannot stop insulting images and language but national boundaries can is something I can't explain, but it makes perfect sense in Indianapolis.) Quote
Chief Illiniwek Supporter Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 Seminoles, Utes, Illini, Chippewa, and I believe Braves are all still being used. Yes, we still use a word in a language. Edit: Yes, we still use a shortened version of a French translation of a word from a Native American language. But we've never used the name of any tribe. Quote
Sioux-cia Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 Sioux cia, its obvious that insults are stopped by national boundaries drawn on maps as well as the oceans. While everyone in California, Florida, Maine, etc. is insulted by the "hostile and abusive" use of Sioux and some Silly me! Quote
GeauxSioux Posted September 20, 2008 Posted September 20, 2008 Gholson: In the Nick of Time (Sept. 20)Zais, however, would not surrender, even though he knew what could happen if he bucked the NCAA. His school would never be able to play host to a playoff game. But since Newberry’s football program pretty much sucked, Zais was not going to lose much sleep worrying about an NCAA penalty. The Indians had a streak of six straight losing seasons. But then something really strange happened. In 2006, Newberry went 10-1.After lots of discussions with the NCAA, a deal was brokered in which Newberry got the playoff game and had until the fall of 2008 to come up with a nickname change. Well, it’s 2008. Time to pay up. So the team that shows up to play MSU won’t be the Newberry Indians. You can call them just plain Newberry. Or sometimes they are simply referred to as the scarlet and gray. “I still contend this is inappropriate for the NCAA,” Zais said. “They’ve got a lot of other problems they need to pay attention to.” Quote
Goon Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 So the team that shows up to play MSU won Quote
petey23 Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 I like it... How about North Dakota, and or green and white? That's what I've been saying for months! THE University of North Dakota. Quote
Goon Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 That's what I've been saying for months! THE University of North Dakota. I am with you brother. Quote
johnsowe Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 We can not be North Dakota it is part of the settlement Quote
petey23 Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 We can not be North Dakota it is part of the settlement Debateable? We could always back out on the agreement and go with the status quo and see what the NCAA says about us being referred to as THE University of North Dakota....apparently that meets the NCAA standards for Newberry. Quote
Stromer Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 We can not be North Dakota it is part of the settlement Even with the settlement, I just can not see the NCAA forcing us to choose a new nickname. Dropping the Sioux name yes, forcing a new name upon us, ehh. That would be the ultimate sign of their ever reaching grab for power. Quote
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