tony Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 Has there been any discussion about UND going DI in pages of the Grand Forks Herald? If so, what is their position and reasoning? If not, what gives? I mean, they had plenty to say when NDSU was deciding... they must have run six anti-DI editorials. You'd think this would be a story that UND folks would have interest in having debated in public, but it seems like Hallstrom is the only one doing any work. Hehe, is the Herald still waiting to hear what their opinion is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 Hehe, is the Herald still waiting to hear what their opinion is? Sort of like the contract between NDSU and the Forum (reported by Brandon Misener of d2football.com that two people he trusted had seen the contract) that contains agreements that the Forum write X amount of stories about NDSU (obviously not all athletic) which NDSU must approve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabidrabbit Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 Sort of like the contract between NDSU and the Forum (reported by Brandon Misener of d2football.com that two people he trusted had seen the contract) that contains agreements that the Forum write X amount of stories about NDSU (obviously not all athletic) which NDSU must approve. From Brandon Misener (d2football) and nd4life, an UND poster all on the AnyGivenSaturday.com UND move-up thread. Originally Posted by D2Football By the way, I am going to ND in about three weeks. I'll make my source produce the contract. If he can't I'll retract the statement regarding the contract, which really isn't a criticism of NDSU anyway. It's time to put this rumor to rest. Speaking as someone who had knowledge of The Forum's newsroom operations until a year ago, I can say with 100 percent certainty that no such contract exists. For that matter, there is no newsroom in the country that would enter into such a contract. That's simply not how newspapers work. There may indeed be other contracts between The Forum and NDSU concerning advertising and event sponsorships and what are called "tradeouts" in the industry. But the notion that a newspaper would agree to a deal with any business or institution mandating a specified level of news coverage is laughable. IMHO, The GF Herald hopefully is riding this decision process and pushing for a very open decision process. This should be the biggest news issue in Grand Forks now that spring flooding is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigears Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 Sort of like the contract between NDSU and the Forum (reported by Brandon Misener of d2football.com that two people he trusted had seen the contract) that contains agreements that the Forum write X amount of stories about NDSU (obviously not all athletic) which NDSU must approve. Didn't UND have a huge banner ad at the top of the Fargo Forum's on-line sports page for the last year, or so? Can anyone image an NDSU ad plastered all over the GF Herald's website? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 A UND announcement is tentatively scheduled for May 16th. The committee supposedly sent Kupchella their report last week. I would suspect that the Herald will have more coverage preceding and after that date. My predictions remain: Kupchella (very reluctantly ) will announce a DI move on the 16th (possibly contingent on obtaining conference affiliation). One week later, on May 23rd, the Big Sky will announce an interest in expansion. By late summer, possibly fall, the Big Sky will announce the addition of UND, NDSU, and SDSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 A UND announcement is tentatively scheduled for May 16th. The committee supposedly sent Kupchella their report last week. I would suspect that the Herald will have move coverage preceding and after that date. My predictions remain: Kupchella (very reluctantly ) will announce a DI move on the 16th (possibly contingent on obtaining conference affiliation). One week later, on May 23rd, the Big Sky will announce an erest in expansion. By late summer, possibly fall, the Big Sky will announce the addition of UND, NDSU, and SDSU. If that's true why hasn't the gfherald got the report, since it should be available to all the public at anytime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 If that's true why hasn't the gfherald got the report, since it should be available to all the public at anytime? Why is there more concern about a UND DI move from among NDSU and SDSU fans than among UND fans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB#11 Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 If that's true why hasn't the gfherald got the report, since it should be available to all the public at anytime? It looks to me like star2city is simply making a prediction...if all this comes true we may have a new Nostradamus or someone who is paying attention and sees that this may make a whole lot of sense to everyone involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 It looks to me like stat2city is simply making a prediction...if all this comes true we may have a new Nostradamus or someone who is paying attention and sees that this may make a whole lot of sense to everyone involved. It was just a prediction based on hunches, past and future events, and circumstantial evidence. I don't have Kupchella's office bugged or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 If that's true why hasn't the gfherald got the report, since it should be available to all the public at anytime? Same question could hold for any paper in the region. My answer to the question: Because local media throughout this region can't dig a story, much less know where to look for one. If it doesn't come in as a press release on their fax machine don't expect a report. (And I'm slamming everyone, print, radio, TV, with that.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 Same question could hold for any paper in the region. My answer to the question: Because local media throughout this region can't dig a story, much less know where to look for one. If it doesn't come in as a press release on their fax machine don't expect a report. (And I'm slamming everyone, print, radio, TV, with that.) I'll have to agree with you 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamStrait Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 My non-flaming read on the situation is that NDSU (for better or worse) welcomed and sought media attention during their decision making process while UND (for better or worse) is playing it much closer to the vest. I think this is a direct reflection on the different personalities of the two presidents. I don't know that there is an advantage of one approach over the other, they're just different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 I think this is a direct reflection on the different personalities of the two presidents. I don't know that there is an advantage of one approach over the other, they're just different. Joe Chapman -- Press release! Charles Kupchella -- No press release. Seems accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teeder11 Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 IMHO, one answer to this whole thread is that the Herald reporter who started covering this issue early on has been deployed with the National Guard to serve in Iraq for the next 15 months. Other reporters or editors must not have the knowledge or interest to pick up where he left off. And their sports dept. is just plain too lazy, too short staffed and too close to UND sources to write anything about it. Sad but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 At this point, I'm doubtful of two things: 1) UND will announce a move to DI. I don't think this will happen until UND gets a new president. That could be sooner rather than later, but not this year. 2) Big Sky announcing that they will expand. I don't think the west presidents will allow it. Maybe when Sac State leaves for DI-A, but until then, probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjw007 Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 Same question could hold for any paper in the region. My answer to the question: Because local media throughout this region can't dig a story, much less know where to look for one. If it doesn't come in as a press release on their fax machine don't expect a report. (And I'm slamming everyone, print, radio, TV, with that.) This is true for almost all the papers. I live in Maryland and it certainly is true for the Washington Post and the Baltimore Sun. They do have investigative reports (opinion pieces) but not for sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 With this: DI Task Force "If we want to, we can fine-tune it or tweak it before it gets to the president," said Don Kojich, a task force member. Kojich said the group would like to get a report to UND President Charles Kupchella "as quickly as possible," and estimated that it would happen in the next two weeks.My predictions need to change: Seems like the 16th is more likely the date the Task Force report will be forwarded to Kupchella. With that, it seems likely that there will be Big Sky meeting prior to Kupchella making a "decision." My predictions remain: Kupchella (very reluctantly ) will announce a DI move on the 16th (possibly contingent on obtaining conference affiliation). One week later, on May 23rd, the Big Sky will announce whether it has an interest in expansion. If yes , Kupchella (very reluctantly ) will announce a DI move on the 16th. By late summer, possibly fall, the Big Sky will announce the addition of UND, NDSU, and SDSU. By delaying any decision till after the Big Sky meetings, the NCC will still have some semblance of stability if UND stays DII. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony Posted May 9, 2006 Author Share Posted May 9, 2006 Hehehe, I'm kind of a trouble-maker, but I really do think that the Grand Forks Herald failed as journalists with their coverage of NDSU's and UND's decision-making process. Lack of staff is no excuse. If they have the manpower for extensive coverage of Springfest, there is no excuse for complete silence of the DI issue, especially seeing has how they could not stop yapping about NDSU's move ("Folly! Hubris! Heck, it's worse than either, it's Fyoobris!"). Where are the staltwart defenders of the public good who put pen to paper to expound on these mighty themes? "For the record: Costs outweigh D-I benefits" "Bisons' D-I move doesn't make sense" "EDITORIAL: Division I Say no!" "EDITORIAL: [DI is a] 'Sucker's game' OTOH, if UND does have a conference lined up and does go DI, that is great news for NDSU and SDSU so good luck with that! http://www.in-forum.com/specials/d1decision/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sultan Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Hehehe, I'm kind of a trouble-maker, but I really do think that the Grand Forks Herald failed as journalists with their coverage of NDSU's and UND's decision-making process. Lack of staff is no excuse. If they have the manpower for extensive coverage of Springfest, there is no excuse for complete silence of the DI issue, especially seeing has how they could not stop yapping about NDSU's move ("Folly! Hubris! Heck, it's worse than either, it's Fyoobris!"). Where are the staltwart defenders of the public good who put pen to paper to expound on these mighty themes? "For the record: Costs outweigh D-I benefits" "Bisons' D-I move doesn't make sense" "EDITORIAL: Division I Say no!" "EDITORIAL: [DI is a] 'Sucker's game' OTOH, if UND does have a conference lined up and does go DI, that is great news for NDSU and SDSU so good luck with that! http://www.in-forum.com/specials/d1decision/NDSU fans sure spend a lot of time worrying about UND and Grand Forks. They just seem obsessed about us. They spend a lot more time talking about our issues than we do. I guess they just can't get along without us. It's actually quite funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonMav Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 NDSU fans sure spend a lot of time worrying about UND and Grand Forks. They just seem obsessed about us. They spend a lot more time talking about our issues than we do. I guess they just can't get along without us. It's actually quite funny. Are you saying UND's division classification has no impact on NDSU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodakvindy Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Hehehe, I'm kind of a trouble-maker, but I really do think that the Grand Forks Herald failed as journalists with their coverage of NDSU's and UND's decision-making process. Lack of staff is no excuse. If they have the manpower for extensive coverage of Springfest, there is no excuse for complete silence of the DI issue, especially seeing has how they could not stop yapping about NDSU's move ("Folly! Hubris! Heck, it's worse than either, it's Fyoobris!"). Where are the staltwart defenders of the public good who put pen to paper to expound on these mighty themes? "For the record: Costs outweigh D-I benefits" "Bisons' D-I move doesn't make sense" "EDITORIAL: Division I Say no!" "EDITORIAL: [DI is a] 'Sucker's game' OTOH, if UND does have a conference lined up and does go DI, that is great news for NDSU and SDSU so good luck with that! http://www.in-forum.com/specials/d1decision/ I don't know how they've failed since their is no news yet. The report hasn't been issued. Kupchella hasn't made a decision. There was no consultant's report to ignore. The Herald can't just fabricate stuff. They could talk to coaches and staff, but they would merely be speculation, not news reporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony Posted May 9, 2006 Author Share Posted May 9, 2006 Hey, nodakvindy, I wouldn't expect that the Herald report on what UND's decision is going to be - that's exactly what newspapers shouldn't do (print rumors). One of the jobs of newspapers is to aid informed debate on matters that affect their readers, that's all. I kinda think the Herald failed to do that when NDSU was deciding on DI and they failed again with UND. They just did it in different ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabidrabbit Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 More on the Sioux possible move - Thanks 89rabbit for this!! http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandf...s/14550002.htm COLLEGE ATHLETICS: Division I can wait Even if the Sioux move to D-I, they would play in NCC at least two more years By Kevin Fee Herald Staff Writer Before UND could make a move to NCAA Division I, it would have to give the Division II North Central Conference an 18-month notice that it was departing for the big time. The earliest UND could play a full-fledged Division I schedule would be in the 2008-09 school year, unless it wants to pay penalties to the NCC. That is if the school decided it could come up with the finances and eventually find a suitable conference. UND's NCAA Classification Task Force released a draft report that showed the pros and cons of the school moving all of its athletic programs to Division I. UND is Division I only in men's and women's hockey now. . . . (read more) This is a good solution for the Sioux if they choose to move up. Gives them an additional year to find a conference home. By then, hopefully NDSU/SDSU are firmly in a conference for all-sports. And in actuality, if that is the mid-con/GWFC combo, that could be a workable place for the Sioux in the 2010-2013 timeframe, when they're first eligible for play-offs (assuming transition year would be 2008). __________________ Rabid Rabbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxMeNow Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 uhhh...I'm thinking "rapedRabbit" or whatever his handle is isn't REALLY a sdsu fan...pretty new - joined about the time the DI talk was heating up again. Can we trace his ISP? (Tony can help!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxMeNow Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 UHH...sorry about the spelling error in his handle....should have been "I" before "E" except if you're a TOADY!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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