Media Stories on the Sioux Name

[UND1983]

http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/148426/

"This would be the first time Faison speaks to the full board about the nickname, though he

[MplsBison]

It doesn't seem like it based on the article. Sounded pretty clear the board did not want to risk the court siding with the SL.

Once the issue can get fast-tracked in front of the court and the obvious, only possible ruling is made (SBoHE has the authority to tell UND to retire the nickname) in the net couple months, this issue will finally be put to rest.

Summit will absolutely not be drawn into the debate. The Fargo/GF media can whine and bitch, but they won't get peep from Douple or the Summit. It's flat out a case of "we're not going to dick around with you until you get the crap done".

So get it done.

[darell1976]

It doesn't seem like it based on the article. Sounded pretty clear the board did not want to risk the court siding with the SL.

Once the issue can get fast-tracked in front of the court and the obvious, only possible ruling is made (SBoHE has the authority to tell UND to retire the nickname) in the net couple months, this issue will finally be put to rest.

Summit will absolutely not be drawn into the debate. The Fargo/GF media can whine and bitch, but they won't get peep from Douple or the Summit. It's flat out a case of "we're not going to dick around with you until you get the crap done".

So get it done.

What if the Summit were to come out and say publicly they will accept UND after the NCAA deadline or permission from the SR whatever comes first. That would make the SBoHE look like a bunch of idiots.

[star2city]

Summit will absolutely not be drawn into the debate.

Absurd. The Summit and Douple threw themselves in the middle.

The Fargo/GF media can whine and bitch, but they won't get peep from Douple or the Summit. It's flat out a case of "we're not going to dick around with you until you get the crap done".

So get it done.

Wrong again. How can you consider yourself to have any ounce of logic?

The truth is the opposite: It's flat out a case of "we are going to dick around with you until you get the crap done" on our terms.

[MplsBison]

What if the Summit were to come out and say publicly they will accept UND after the NCAA deadline or permission from the SR whatever comes first. That would make the SBoHE look like a bunch of idiots.

Because the Summit won't wait that long. They want to have teams picked out by this spring.

If UND won't take care of its business, they will be left behind.

And to think that could happen because a bunch of hockey fans are on their hands and knees, begging and kissing the ground of a reservation that has made it more than clear they will never give permission, no matter how many times they have to keep re-moving the issue to the bottom of the pile?

That just can't be allowed...

[star2city]

Because the Summit won't wait that long. They want to have teams picked out by this spring.

If UND won't take care of its business, they will be left behind.

You're just fear mongering. Name any school that the Summit would chose before UND.

Who would the Summit pick before UND? UTPA, Houston Baptist, Longwood, Savannah St, Chicago St, CSU-Bakersfield, Seattle, Utah Valley. Guess again.

With core membership no longer an issue, arguments for Chicago St and UTPA have evaporated.

Denver U would insist that UND be in the Summit prior to considering membership. DU has absolutely no relationship/rivalry/fan interest with any other Summit school.

[The Sicatoka]

So, it

[the green team]

DU doesn't have a lot of connections or fan interest in relation to the the Sun Belt (Their current conference) (which is putting the screws to them since they don't have football) But if they are available... the Summit would be stupid not to approach them with everything they've got in order to get into a large market like Denver.

The other option for the Summit is if they truly want to make the Conference tenable for Southern Utah...Utah Valley would have to be a consideration. Plus Utah Valley is already done with their transition, and is full fledged D1 program.

[star2city]

With the "core" requirement now going away, it will be interesting to see what conference realignments and expansion opportunities develop as a result. Patience may be rewarded.

If the continuity requirement goes away too, it might even be possible for new conferences to form out of thin air.

The rumor has been that Montana and Montana State are very displeased with the academic and financial issues within the Big Sky.

With the new rules, could they pull out, and a new conference of

Montana / Montana St

Denver / N Colo

USD / SDSU

UND / NDSU

Cal Poly/ UC Davis (football only)

form?

The Big Sky would have be (with non-football schools)

NAU / Grand Canyon (plans for DI)

SUU / UVU

Weber / Idaho St

Sac St / Bakersfield St

E Wash / Portland St

Seattle / WWU is rumored to want DI - they dropped football to afford it

The Summit could then be

Oakland / IPFW

IUPUI / NKU

WIU / UMKC

ORU / Houston Baptist

UTPA

[The Sicatoka]

If the continuity requirement goes away too, it might even be possible for new conferences to form out of thin air.

Could this be the reason why the NCAA floated the "96 team MBB tournament" trial balloon out there?

[star2city]

DU doesn't have a lot of connections or fan interest in relation to the the Sun Belt (Their current conference) (which is putting the screws to them since they don't have football) But if they are available... the Summit would be stupid not to approach them with everything they've got in order to get into a large market like Denver.

The other option for the Summit is if they truly want to make the Conference tenable for Southern Utah...Utah Valley would have to be a consideration. Plus Utah Valley is already done with their transition, and is full fledged D1 program.

Southern Utah and the Summit mutually want to terminate their relationship. SUU will have a spot in the Big Sky as soon as one or both of the Montanas are gone (to the WAC or elsewhere). The Montana's are blackballing SUU.

UVU will not be asked into the Summit, if Oakland, IUPUI, IPFW, WIll have any votes in the matter.

[the green team]

People have been playing the What If game, with the Montana Schools for years. They are not going to the WAC!

[MplsBison]

Precisely.

This will be resolved to satisfaction of the NCAA/State of ND agreement before UND would ever play a Summit League game.

It's a non-issue, until, for some reason, Douple and the Summit (the presidents of those institutions) made it an issue.

See post #3209

[MplsBison]

You're just fear mongering. Name any school that the Summit would chose before UND.

Who would the Summit pick before UND? UTPA, Houston Baptist, Longwood, Savannah St, Chicago St, CSU-Bakersfield, Seattle, Utah Valley. Guess again.

With core membership no longer an issue, arguments for Chicago St and UTPA have evaporated.

Denver U would insist that UND be in the Summit prior to considering membership. DU has absolutely no relationship/rivalry/fan interest with any other Summit school.

With the new DI membership rules, there are many more schools that could possibly become Summit targets than the "usual suspects" you list above.

Even still, Chicago State has a new bball arena and has baseball. They're obviously in the footprint of the Great Lakes schools.

UND remains the top candidate but as I have already said, the Summit will NOT WAIT until Nov 2010!!! Don't fool yourselves!

Denver, I have my doubts they'd ever go to the Summit. With the new rules and a potential Big Ten expansions, potentially everything is out the window. They might end up in the MVC for all anyone knows.

[The Sicatoka]

UND remains the top candidate but as I have already said, the Summit will NOT WAIT until Nov 2010!!!

They don't have to wait until Nov 2010.

They come out and say "We'll take you if you're in compliance with the settlement you have with the NCAA."

Boom. Done. Easy.

[MplsBison]

They don't have to wait until Nov 2010.

They come out and say "We'll take you if you're in compliance with the settlement you have with the NCAA."

Boom. Done. Easy.

Why should they do that when they can take two other schools that don't have any naming issues this spring?

[Stromer]

UND remains the top candidate but as I have already said, the Summit will NOT WAIT until Nov 2010!!! Don't fool yourselves!

They wouldn't have to wait! There is the thing. They could take UND now and by the time they joined conference play the name would either be changed or it would continue to be used with the blessing of the tribes and in agreement with the NCAA. So why won't they take UND now? And then Douple goes and cowers in a corner when asked about it. Go figure.

[Stromer]

Why should they do that when they can take two other schools that don't have any naming issues this spring?

Because UND is a better fit than the other schools and since they aren't playing this spring, it doesn't really matter what a team is called? Sounds logical to me. But then a lot of people in this world don't think logic should apply in life.

[darell1976]

This is a no brainer: http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/266586/

The state Board of Higher Education voted 5-3 today to keep the status quo with the Fighting Sioux nickname while an appeal is pending.

Board member Mike Haugen of Fargo argued for directing UND to begin retiring the nickname (Typical Bison Fan)

[DamStrait]

Why should they do that when they can take two other schools that don't have any naming issues this spring?

If the Summit believes that the benefit UND brings vs. the opposition is significantly affected by the nickname, the conference's leadership is so poor as to render them incompetent and brings into question the wisdom of joining such a conference.

[MplsBison]

This is a no brainer: http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/266586/

The state Board of Higher Education voted 5-3 today to keep the status quo with the Fighting Sioux nickname while an appeal is pending.

Board member Mike Haugen of Fargo argued for directing UND to begin retiring the nickname (Typical Bison Fan)

"I don't see it in 10 months being any different than today," Haugen said.

And he's exactly right.

The SR leadership will continue finding ways to move this issue to the bottom of the pile. "We'll discuss it on our terms", "We have other things to deal with right now", etc etc etc.

The SL did the right thing. They've done all they can.

But they've run into a brick wall.

Maybe it isn't fair and maybe the NCAA should recognize that the SL supports the nickname and that should be all that is required. But it's not. UND needs the SR as well and they aren't going to get it.

[MplsBison]

They wouldn't have to wait! There is the thing. They could take UND now and by the time they joined conference play the name would either be changed or it would continue to be used with the blessing of the tribes and in agreement with the NCAA. So why won't they take UND now? And then Douple goes and cowers in a corner when asked about it. Go figure.

And there in is the great assumption that is parroted on this board.

Who are you to say that this will be all over by Nov 2010? No one really knows what kind of legal appeals or lawsuit is going to be brought up next.

Douple and the Summit shouldn't have to make that same assumption. And they won't.

Until this thing is good and dead, there is nothing for them to gain by "hoping" that Nov 2010 really is the end of it.

[Bison Dan]

This is a no brainer: http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/266586/

The state Board of Higher Education voted 5-3 today to keep the status quo with the Fighting Sioux nickname while an appeal is pending.

Board member Mike Haugen of Fargo argued for directing UND to begin retiring the nickname (Typical Bison Fan)

"Prior to the vote, UND President Bob Kelley and Athletic Director Brian Faison told board members a resolution is vital for the university to pursue membership in the Summit League." Closet Bison fans?

[Speez]

"Prior to the vote, UND President Bob Kelley and Athletic Director Brian Faison told board members a resolution is vital for the university to pursue membership in the Summit League." Closet Bison fans?

Apparently not "Fighting Sioux" fans.

[82SiouxGuy]

"Prior to the vote, UND President Bob Kelley and Athletic Director Brian Faison told board members a resolution is vital for the university to pursue membership in the Summit League." Closet Bison fans?

Probably just looked at a map and saw that it makes much more sense geographically than any other conference.