UND vs USD 1/23 7PM

[sioux24/7]

Offense is fun but I had almost no fun watching that game. Other than Mara’s dunks. This just sucks. USD sucks too so hope they aren’t on their high horse. UND just sucks more. 

[Kab]

What were Sathers post game radio comments? Anyone listen

ndsu by 10, 20 or 30 Saturday 

[GoodGood]

3 minutes ago, Kab said:

What were Sathers post game radio comments? Anyone listen

ndsu by 10, 20 or 30 Saturday 

Basically said the players play no defense. Never heard him say anything about being a better coach

[SiouxFan100]

As has been said here before- no rim protection absolutely killed us tonight. 

[ND1]

23 minutes ago, NewUndFan said:

Glad i didn't go to the game.  I use to never miss any. Now I have no motivation to even go.  I look forward to the basketball season every year.  If we don't get a coaching change I'm not sure how we keep any fans that don't have white hair 

Not so sure, the casual fan seems to enjoy the game.  All offense and no defense.   I know the young families around me tonight thought the game was highly entertaining.  

[NewUndFan]

9 minutes ago, ND1 said:

Not so sure, the casual fan seems to enjoy the game.  All offense and no defense.   I know the young families around me tonight thought the game was highly entertaining.  

So people enjoy going to watch their team lose every night?  Alot different than my family enjoys.  

[NewUndFan]

9 minutes ago, ND1 said:

Not so sure, the casual fan seems to enjoy the game.  All offense and no defense.   I know the young families around me tonight thought the game was highly entertaining.  

Highly entertaining?  They need to get out more 

[sioux24/7]

Not too long ago I was pretty bummed because I could only go to 3 more home games. Now it’s down to 1 and I can’t wait for it to be over. 

[Hans8891]

On an offensive note, for 2/3 of the game, we actually looked like we were starting to get it.  We looked great in the first half and for the first third of the second half.  What I have said was there all year, the finally picked up on.  When everyone overplays the high post pick on Trey, he looked to find them early and it was open and created movement and shots.  Our passing was light years ahead of where we have been most of the year.  We had 12 assists in the first half.  We looked up the court.  We made the extra pass.  We reversed the ball and got good looks on the weak side.  We shot 60 percent up until that point and 50% from the 3 point line with a 7 point lead on 16 assists…. You may be sensing a “but” coming….  Then we stopped doing what was working and went back to being dribble kings with no passing and no movement.  In the last 10 minutes, we had 1 assist and probably shot 25%.  Meier and Trey would dribble for 15 seconds at a time with double teams.  No looks to reverse.  No looks up the court.  Just one on 2 and 3 ball with bad shot selection.  Paul sat on the sidelines and made no adjustments - again…. That was the good news of this game.

[Hans8891]

Defensively, I am trying to figure out how many coaches we can have on a bench who have no concept of how to correct defensive rotation so that someone is not wide open on the perimeter every time down the court.  My y ball teams have better defensive rotation than this team.  Do they really think the fact that every team we play shoots 60% and 45% from the 3 every game is a coincidence???  #9 for USD drove right side baseline a dozen times and scored on us almost every time he tried.  Does it occur to anyone that maybe we should force him left into our bigs and see what else he can do rather than just give him 25 points doing the same thing every time down the floor????  I know we have poor rim protection inside, but you will always have poor rim protection if you don’t force them into your shot blockers.  We just gave a very bad South Dakota team over 100 points on our floor.  Everybody gets 90 on us.  Just how many coaches does it take to make some kind of defensive adjustment.  This isn’t new.  It is year after year of no idea how to play team defense.  I continue to believe that this team still has some talent and could be better than we are playing, but somebody has to tell these coaches to scrap their existing defensive scheme and try something different.  Go to a zone, trap, something.  It can’t be any worse than what we are witnessing now.  Scoring 90 and still losing by a bunch is just not acceptable…

[gfNDfan]

2 hours ago, ND1 said:

Not so sure, the casual fan seems to enjoy the game.  All offense and no defense.   I know the young families around me tonight thought the game was highly entertaining.  

You live by the sword you die by the sword.  It was entertaining watching them go end to end with no D until UND eventually pooped out in the 2nd 1/2.  You go 1 for 12 and USD goes ahead - maybe call a timeout?  no  The rest of the game was textbook bad coaching.  I'm no expert but how about telling your defender to "Step to the left?" when Forte drove down the lane time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again.  It's so inexplicably embarrassing I don't know what else to say.   They have so many talented players - I feel bad for them.  They deserve better.

[sioux24/7]

7 hours ago, Hans8891 said:

On an offensive note, for 2/3 of the game, we actually looked like we were starting to get it.  We looked great in the first half and for the first third of the second half.  What I have said was there all year, the finally picked up on.  When everyone overplays the high post pick on Trey, he looked to find them early and it was open and created movement and shots.  Our passing was light years ahead of where we have been most of the year.  We had 12 assists in the first half.  We looked up the court.  We made the extra pass.  We reversed the ball and got good looks on the weak side.  We shot 60 percent up until that point and 50% from the 3 point line with a 7 point lead on 16 assists…. You may be sensing a “but” coming….  Then we stopped doing what was working and went back to being dribble kings with no passing and no movement.  In the last 10 minutes, we had 1 assist and probably shot 25%.  Meier and Trey would dribble for 15 seconds at a time with double teams.  No looks to reverse.  No looks up the court.  Just one on 2 and 3 ball with bad shot selection.  Paul sat on the sidelines and made no adjustments - again…. That was the good news of this game.

USD’s defense coming into the game was 358th in the nation or something. While the first half showed some encouraging things, I’m not buying it. 

[sioux24/7]

5 hours ago, gfNDfan said:

You live by the sword you die by the sword.  It was entertaining watching them go end to end with no D until UND eventually pooped out in the 2nd 1/2.  You go 1 for 12 and USD goes ahead - maybe call a timeout?  no  The rest of the game was textbook bad coaching.  I'm no expert but how about telling your defender to "Step to the left?" when Forte drove down the lane time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again.  It's so inexplicably embarrassing I don't know what else to say.   They have so many talented players - I feel bad for them.  They deserve better.

I don’t think you can only blame the coaching. The payers deserve plenty of blame too. The effort on D by some of these guys is just pathetic. Coaches deserve a lot of the blame but don’t let the payer’s off the hook. 

[GoodGood]

Why not play Reggie? The only guard with a positive defensive rating. Instead we decide to keep bringing in traffic cones and wondering why we're giving up 90+ points a night

[tnt]

9 hours ago, NewUndFan said:

Glad i didn't go to the game.  I use to never miss any. Now I have no motivation to even go.  I look forward to the basketball season every year.  If we don't get a coaching change I'm not sure how we keep any fans that don't have white hair 

When this has basically been the sentiment for all 3 of the major sports at UND, I think more than coaching changes should be on the table. 

[jdub27]

3 hours ago, sioux24/7 said:

I don’t think you can only blame the coaching. The payers deserve plenty of blame too. The effort on D by some of these guys is just pathetic. Coaches deserve a lot of the blame but don’t let the payer’s off the hook. 

Pretty much what Sather said last week. He's the coach the ultimate responsibility of it falls on him to figure out how to get the team to play defense (and they have some brief flashes) but man....not sure how the defense can be that bad. You could maybe say the team has given up, but its been bad since the beginning of the year. Seems like the pieces should be there to be at least around average but it doesn't seem like anyone wants to put the effort in. I guess just bet the over for the rest of the season at this point.

[F'n Hawks]

4 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Pretty much what Sather said last week. He's the coach the ultimate responsibility of it falls on him to figure out how to get the team to play defense (and they have some brief flashes) but man....not sure how the defense can be that bad. You could maybe say the team has given up, but its been bad since the beginning of the year. Seems like the pieces should be there to be at least around average but it doesn't seem like anyone wants to put the effort in. I guess just bet the over for the rest of the season at this point.

In year 6 as a coach you should have no problem getting your team to buy in on defense. I get that in the Summit your best players are going to transfer away and your team may look a lot different from year to year but you should have a culture and program built up by now. 
 

I’ve been a big UND basketball for years, but do not think I will be attending a game the rest of the way. Maybe something changes but I’m not getting my hopes up for a miracle turnaround.

[HockeyHawk]

6 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Pretty much what Sather said last week. He's the coach the ultimate responsibility of it falls on him to figure out how to get the team to play defense (and they have some brief flashes) but man....not sure how the defense can be that bad. You could maybe say the team has given up, but it’s heabeen bad since the beginning of the year. Seems like the pieces should be there to be at least around average but it doesn't seem like anyone wants to put the effort in. I guess just bet the over for the rest of the season at this point.

Perhaps not a popular opinion: but what if the big issue isn’t Sather? Look around the department- every sport is bad and some of these coaches have been successful prior to UND. When every sport is struggling I think you need to look at the leadership of the department. 

[Kab]

I thought Trey said it best when he said he wasn’t taking good shots , you could see him and MP were doing too much alone toward the end of the game, no team ball.

im not sure who was leaving the low corner open for 3 point shots, no one was within 10 feet of the corner, they were under the basket trying to double someone .

[jdub27]

5 minutes ago, HockeyHawk said:

Perhaps not a popular opinion: but what if the big issue isn’t Sather? Look around the department- every sport is bad and some of these coaches have been successful prior to UND. When every sport is struggling I think you need to look at the leadership of the department. 

Maybe, but are there things that is being done that is holding him back somehow? I guess I'm not following what decisions are being made at a President or AD level that's trickling down. The University is putting more money into things than before (FCOA/Alston/facilities/support). I don't know the answer though other than things ebb and flow and the spot some sports are in aren't very fun.

 

1 hour ago, F'n Hawks said:

In year 6 as a coach you should have no problem getting your team to buy in on defense.

No argument. I haven't looked back but I don't think we have ever been an excellent defensive team (could be wrong), but this years seems to be a whole different level of not good.

[HockeyHawk]

9 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Maybe, but are there things that is being done that is holding him back somehow? I guess I'm not following what decisions are being made at a President or AD level that's trickling down. The University is putting more money into things than before (FCOA/Alston/facilities/support). I don't know the answer though other than things ebb and flow and the spot some sports are in aren't very fun.

 

No argument. I haven't looked back but I don't think we have ever been an excellent defensive team (could be wrong), but this years seems to be a whole different level of not good.

Agreed to an extent, but why is every sport bad? Is UND just a bad place for coaches to recruit? Or is this a cultural thing in the athletic department? When every sport is struggling you have to wonder. 

[HoopsFan03]

12 minutes ago, HockeyHawk said:

Agreed to an extent, but why is every sport bad? Is UND just a bad place for coaches to recruit? Or is this a cultural thing in the athletic department? When every sport is struggling you have to wonder. 

Both can be true.

Sather stinks and needs to go. Chavez also stinks and needs to go.

[HockeyHawk]

1 hour ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Both can be true.

Sather stinks and needs to go. Chavez also stinks and needs to go.

Maybe the rest of the coaches too? All our programs stink right now.