Big Sky Conference Commissioner Doug Fullerton Conversation

[bison73]

Good to have that inside scoop here at Siouxsports, isn't it?  

Finally I will get a goodnights sleep now that that's settled.

[bison73]

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/sports/college/big-south/coastal-carolina-university/article30466269.html

 

Is this artice good enough for you?  Coastal Carolina will expand their stadium beyond 20,000 if they get a Sun Belt bid, which they most certainly would accept.  Coastal has a pittance in endowment.

They can build a 30k stadium for all I care. They only avg about 9k for each game which comes in at about 6k light of the 15k minimum ncaa requirement. You going to guarantee they make those numbers as well?

Edited August 10, 2015 by bison73

[Hayduke]

They can build a 30k stadium for all I care. They only avg about 9k for each game which comes in at about 6k light of the 15k minimum ncaa requirement.

not to believe this will happen, but I think schools like Idaho have proven that 15, 000 attendance average rule is a joke.  

[82SiouxGuy]

They can build a 30k stadium for all I care. They only avg about 9k for each game which comes in at about 6k light of the 15k minimum ncaa requirement. You going to guarantee they make those numbers as well?

not to believe this will happen, but I think schools like Idaho have proven that 15, 000 attendance average rule is a joke.  

2013 MAC Football Attendance Averages

Buffalo	22,736
Ohio	20.672
Northern Illinois	20,669
Toledo	18,467
Akron	17,850
Western Michigan	17,347
Kent State	17,018
Miami	15,935
Massachusetts	15,830
Ball State	13,817
Central Michigan	13,224
Eastern Michigan	4,051 School 2014 average Change from 2013 National rank (of 128) Ohio 20,515 -1% 96th Buffalo 20,403 -10% 98th Toledo 19548 +6% 103rd Central Michigan 16,306 +23% 110th UMass 16,088 +2% 112th Miami (Ohio) 15,906 -1% 113th Western Michigan 15,625 -10% 115th Bowling Green 15,228 -1% 116th Eastern Michigan 15,025 +271% 118th Northern Illinois 13,563 -34% 121st Kent State 13,544 -20% 122nd Ball State 9,389 -38% 127th Akron 9,170 -49% 128th That 15,000 average per game seems to be a real problem for the MAC, doesn't it.

[SiouxVolley]

They can build a 30k stadium for all I care. They only avg about 9k for each game which comes in at about 6k light of the 15k minimum ncaa requirement. You going to guarantee they make those numbers as well?

The NCAA accepts booster clubs or foundations buying tickets at 1/3 of the price when qualifying for FBS.  You've been told that umpteen times, but it's just doesn't sink in your noggin.

Once your FBS, the NCAA doesn't seem to care.  EMU only met the 15k threshold because their foundaton bought a ton of tickets.

Coastal sold out most of its games.  An upper limit on attendance for them hasn't been established yet.  They even get home and home or two for ones with ACC or AAC schools, which will be totally different than Liberty.

 

[bison73]

The NCAA accepts booster clubs or foundations buying tickets at 1/3 of the price when qualifying for FBS.  You've been told that umpteen times, but it's just doesn't sink in your noggin.

Once your FBS, the NCAA doesn't seem to care.  EMU only met the 15k threshold because their foundaton bought a ton of tickets.

Coastal sold out most of its games.  An upper limit on attendance for them hasn't been established yet.  They even get home and home or two for ones with ACC or AAC schools, which will be totally different than Liberty.

 

No I have never heard that(please provide a link) so save your angst for the nickname committee.  Regardless of that I could give a rats butt what CCU does. Is there a reason I should?   Question is why do you?   

Edited August 10, 2015 by bison73

[bison73]

not to believe this will happen, but I think schools like Idaho have proven that 15, 000 attendance average rule is a joke.  

I think its actually a rolling 2-3 year number.

[darell1976]

I think its actually a rolling 2-3 year number.

A lot of teams break that rule from basically the whole Mac conference to Idaho to other lower level G5 teams. I think even UND could get to 15k in 2 out of the 3 years requirement if they played a "home" game at a bigger stadium (TCF) or have a corporation buyout the remaining tickets (Eastern Michigan Rule). There is ways around this rule that has very little impact on schools as the NCAA does a crappy job of enforcing it. Win and you put butts in the seats.

[The Sicatoka]

No I have never heard that(please provide a link) so save your angst for the nickname committee.  Regardless of that I could give a rats butt what CCU does. Is there a reason I should?   Question is why do you?   

Not that hard to find:

http://www.emich.edu/univcomm/releases_archived/103006divisionone.html

 

[The Sicatoka]

Per the NCAA DI manual (disclaimer: my copy may be a year or two out of date):

- FBS must average 15000 in "actual attendance" (gate or tickets sold) once every rolling two year cycle (the "two year" thing is to allow for teams that have a big arch-rival home game every other year)

- for a ticket to count as "sold" it must be sold for no less than 1/3 the highest priced regular game ticket

Edited August 10, 2015 by The Sicatoka

[bison73]

Per the NCAA DI manual (disclaimer: my copy may be a year or two out of date):

- FBS must average 15000 in "actual attendance" (gate or tickets sold) once every rolling two year cycle (the "two year" thing is to allow for teams that have a big arch-rival home game every other year)

- for a ticket to count as "sold" it must be sold for no less than 1/3 the highest priced regular game ticket

Thank you. But lets be honest. It really makes no difference because the only thing CCU has going for it is location. They and themselves really arent good candidates according to some other articles Ive read. With no real strong candidate they might not pick anyone.

[The Sicatoka]

You motivated me. I pulled down the 2015-16 NCAA DI manual (effective 8/1/15).  

Here are specifics:

20.9.9.3 Football-Attendance Requirements. [FBS] Once every two years on a rolling basis, the institution shall average at least 15,000 in actual or paid attendance for all home football games. (Revised: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/04, 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05)

The rest of 20.9.9.3 goes on to talk about "counting attendance". Specifically, in 20.9.9.3.1.2 there's this:

For purposes of computing paid attendance figures, tickets must be sold for at least one-third of the highest regular established ticket price as established prior to the season, regardless of whether they are used for admission. Tickets sold at less than one-third of the highest regular established price may be counted as paid attendance only if they are used for admission.

 

[The Sicatoka]

For UND to average 15000 this season: I saw $35 tickets for a couple games as the highest listed price. For simplicity I'll say 1/3 is $12 (round up). With five home games, a 15k average is 75k total tickets sold. 75000 * $12 is $900,000. <-- That's if some organization bought them all. 

That's the model Eastern Michigan has used to make the 15k average. 

[darell1976]

For UND to average 15000 this season: I saw $35 tickets for a couple games as the highest listed price. For simplicity I'll say 1/3 is $12 (round up). With five home games, a 15k average is 75k total tickets sold. 75000 * $12 is $900,000. <-- That's if some organization bought them all. 

That's the model Eastern Michigan has used to make the 15k average. 

Or have a "home" game at TCF Bank Stadium (52,525 capacity) and that would help that 15k average.  Highest attendance average at the Alerus is 10,167 in 2008 for 5 games (no NDSU) so 39,165 would have been made up to reach 15k. 24,165 X 12 bucks is $469,980  or 39,165 attendance at TCF between UND and (name your oppenent).  

[darell1976]

You motivated me. I pulled down the 2015-16 NCAA DI manual (effective 8/1/15).  

Here are specifics:

The rest of 20.9.9.3 goes on to talk about "counting attendance". Specifically, in 20.9.9.3.1.2 there's this:

 

Teams that failed the two year attendance 15k rule:

Idaho  14,744 (2013) 12,886 (2014)

Teams that must hit 15k in 2015 or fail the 2 year rule:

Akron: 9,170

Ball St 9,389

FIU 11,966

Florida Atlantic 14,122

Idaho 12,866 (already failed)

Kent State 13,544

New Mexico St 12,269

Northern Illinois 13,563

 

 

 

 

[JohnboyND7]

If the goal to go FBS includes plans to use associations to get to the 15K minimum, it's probably not the best idea.

[darell1976]

If the goal to go FBS includes plans to use associations to get to the 15K minimum, it's probably not the best idea.

Just shows how much of a joke that rule is and it should be removed or strictly enforced.

[The Sicatoka]

If the goal to go FBS includes plans to use associations to get to the 15K minimum, it's probably not the best idea.

But if you're using money that would go to the program already, you're just adding a step. 

[Matt]

But if you're using money that would go to the program already, you're just adding a step. 

If I'm understanding it correctly in the context of a plan to move up to FBS, that "step" amounts to little more than a general ledger adjustment from one line item to another.

[The Sicatoka]

If I'm understanding it correctly in the context of a plan to move up to FBS, that "step" amounts to little more than a general ledger adjustment from one line item to another.

In simplest context, yes.

I suspect in practice the money flows through an "extra" T-account that spurs the generation and transfer of actual tickets. 

Before: Donation -> athletics revenues

After: Donation -> tickets -> athletics revenues

[Matt]

In simplest context, yes.

I suspect in practice the money flows through an "extra" T-account that spurs the generation and transfer of actual tickets. 

Before: Donation -> athletics revenues

After: Donation -> tickets -> athletics revenues

Easy peasy japaneasy

[SiouxVolley]

https://mobile.twitter.com/sunbeltblogger?lang=en 

So Coastal Carolina will get an offer from the Sun Belt for FBS, in spite of Bison73  insisting it hasn't  been decided yet.

Coastal, which will bring in a new bowl, was an easy selection which I wrote.

 

[bison73]

https://mobile.twitter.com/sunbeltblogger?lang=en 

So Coastal Carolina will get an offer from the Sun Belt for FBS, in spite of Bison73  insisting it hasn't  been decided yet.

Coastal, which will bring in a new bowl, was an easy selection which I wrote.

 

At the time of my post it hadn't .

[SiouxVolley]

Fullerton reiterates that Big Sky schools should be competing against G5 conferences.

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/2886549-155/kragthorpe-big-sky-enjoys-college-football

He says five current members have inquired about moving up in the past.

Montana, Montana St, Cal Poly, UCDavis, and Sac St are my guesses.

Edited August 31, 2015 by SiouxVolley

[SiouxVolley]

No I have never heard that(please provide a link) so save your angst for the nickname committee.  Regardless of that I could give a rats butt what CCU does. Is there a reason I should?   Question is why do you?   

https://carolinasportsthoughts.wordpress.com/2015/08/31/coastal-carolina-to-sun-belt/

Coastal will announce an invitation to the Belt tomorrow at 1 PM.

It bothers the hell out of you and other bizons because it shows schools with less than 15k seats now can move up to FBS.  A school doesn't need a history of winning or big crowds to get into FBS.  UND is more capable than Coastal is what it really comes down to.  Much of the Big Sky is heading for FBS too.

Edited September 1, 2015 by SiouxVolley