UND and the Big Sky could go FBS

[SiouxVolley]

57 minutes ago, southpaw said:

It would have taken you about 3 seconds to test nonsense letters/words.  Here's an example of why it redirects with wlacrosse and others:

https://fightinghawks.com/index.aspx?path=thisis2018theinternetisfancy

Posted this to create panic among you and the trolls.  Had tried a word that was not a sport after posting and it worked.

Some older college sports sites have a data list of sports take come up a new page so you can deduce what’s coming.  Presbyterian had wrestling well before they added it, and it came up with its own page that couldn’t be accessed any other way..  Guess the newer website programs are more sophisticated now.

[southpaw]

On 8/10/2018 at 1:36 AM, SiouxVolley said:

Claimed like 50 different decisions and events, not two, with the meter all pointing in the same direction which is FBS.   Obvious that you don’t have vision that encompasses everything or at least awareness that decisions aren’t made in a vacuum but with a long term goal in mind.  Your arguments are so pedantic, like a child having temper tantrum.

Spending on FCS is not worth it if it only begots local interest and awareness of what already occurred in D2.  There will be a tidal wave of schools leaving FCS shortly because their Presidents are just too aware that FCS is a money suck hole.  Better to spend that kind of money on something that will bring much more national awareness, like FBS.

Yeah, the whole Big Sky is not going FBS, but more than half.

If the end goal is FBS, how does that explain Idaho's move to a money suck hole? They already were FBS, why not hold out for a few years for this new Summit FBS in the WAC?

Why did UND need to move to the Summit to go FBS with the WAC? Why not just stay in the Big Sky until then? 

Not long ago you claimed UND's announcement to move to the Summit was fake and a ploy to get FBS. You said UND would never actually join the Summit. But they did and are officially a member, so how are we supposed to believe your timeline of not seeing the MVFC?

And if presidents had this great vision, why does UND's move to WAC hinge on UTRGV adding football? If half the Big Sky is going FBS, plus SDSU, NDSU and USD, then why do they need UTRGV to add football? 

[SiouxVolley]

26 minutes ago, southpaw said:

If the end goal is FBS, how does that explain Idaho's move to a money suck hole? They already were FBS, why not hold out for a few years for this new Summit FBS in the WAC?

Why did UND need to move to the Summit to go FBS with the WAC? Why not just stay in the Big Sky until then? 

Not long ago you claimed UND's announcement to move to the Summit was fake and a ploy to get FBS. You said UND would never actually join the Summit. But they did and are officially a member, so how are we supposed to believe your timeline of not seeing the MVFC?

And if presidents had this great vision, why does UND's move to WAC hinge on UTRGV adding football? If half the Big Sky is going FBS, plus SDSU, NDSU and USD, then why do they need UTRGV to add football? 

It’s so apparent that you don’t read my posts, but just react like a snowflake with constant screaming.

idaho can’t fill an 12 game non-conference slate right now without huge expense.  At least five of them must be home games and formerly the Sun Belt would fill four of them without charge.  Idaho would have to spend a million or more to get teams to come there.  Liberty and NMSU have two games scheduled against each other in the same year for that reason.  Liberty has money and a bunch of Southeastern teams nearby and NMSU has better weather and a larger stadium to recoup some of the expense and has a lot of Texas FBS teams nearby.  Most FBS schools wouldn’t give Idaho a two for one because Idaho plays in a chicken coop and is not an important recruiting area.

Almost every school, except Liberty and Army and UMass needs a conference affiliation to fill some games.  But even those will have a conference by 2025 if they want.

As explained before, thought the Big Sky would split into two and the part that wanted FBS would proceed.  But an easier angle is just to take over the Summit using football while maintaining the NCAA autobid and money flow.   Without football, the Summit is a dead conference in three years as it hasn’t added DII teams years ago to avoid the loss of an autobid.   The impending loss of PUFW, which will happen in spite of bisons saying they are real happy, would kill the Summit, as there are no replacement for men’s soccer and baseball in the region.

With UND now in the Summit, there is likely a 75% that will vote for Idaho and the Montanas and Weber St, as I think ORU would vote yes as part of their deal to return to the Summit for free and then get into the WAC for free.

As said earlier, the Big Sky Cali teams will go to the WAC along with Sam Houston St and Lamar and others.  Both the WAC and Summit will fully cooperate with each other in the FBS transition to hold down costs.  If they don’t have to pay big figures to existing FBS schools, the transition will not cost much more than FCS,

The WAC needs eight full time FBS schools to qualify as an FBS conference.  UTRGV likely needs to go FBS to get to 8.  The FBS transitions for all will be for two years, and both need 8 full time FBS member in order to qualify for what will be a higher CFP in 2025.  Two new FBS conferences:  an FBS WAC and an FBS Summit both getting CFP payments by 2025.

 

[Gothmog]

On 8/11/2018 at 3:41 AM, SiouxVolley said:

UTRGV’s timeline.  Business logic as the  CFP change upcoming.  Changes and improvements needed for FBS.  Our Big Sky and Summit Presidents would have to outrageously stupid to not be chomping at the bit to get a piece of the new CFP.

Can’t technically  prove anything in a court of law.  But you cant prove we aren’t moving either..

 

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.

[southpaw]

16 teams are now all going FBS?

[darell1976]

34 minutes ago, southpaw said:

16 teams are now all going FBS?

By July 1, all of the FCS will be moving up. 

[Siouxphan27]

6 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

It’s so apparent that you don’t read my posts, but just react like a snowflake with constant screaming.

idaho can’t fill an 12 game non-conference slate right now without huge expense.  At least five of them must be home games and formerly the Sun Belt would fill four of them without charge.  Idaho would have to spend a million or more to get teams to come there.  Liberty and NMSU have two games scheduled against each other in the same year for that reason.  Liberty has money and a bunch of Southeastern teams nearby and NMSU has better weather and a larger stadium to recoup some of the expense and has a lot of Texas FBS teams nearby.  Most FBS schools wouldn’t give Idaho a two for one because Idaho plays in a chicken coop and is not an important recruiting area.

Almost every school, except Liberty and Army and UMass needs a conference affiliation to fill some games.  But even those will have a conference by 2025 if they want.

As explained before, thought the Big Sky would split into two and the part that wanted FBS would proceed.  But an easier angle is just to take over the Summit using football while maintaining the NCAA autobid and money flow.   Without football, the Summit is a dead conference in three years as it hasn’t added DII teams years ago to avoid the loss of an autobid.   The impending loss of PUFW, which will happen in spite of bisons saying they are real happy, would kill the Summit, as there are no replacement for men’s soccer and baseball in the region.

With UND now in the Summit, there is likely a 75% that will vote for Idaho and the Montanas and Weber St, as I think ORU would vote yes as part of their deal to return to the Summit for free and then get into the WAC for free.

As said earlier, the Big Sky Cali teams will go to the WAC along with Sam Houston St and Lamar and others.  Both the WAC and Summit will fully cooperate with each other in the FBS transition to hold down costs.  If they don’t have to pay big figures to existing FBS schools, the transition will not cost much more than FCS,

The WAC needs eight full time FBS schools to qualify as an FBS conference.  UTRGV likely needs to go FBS to get to 8.  The FBS transitions for all will be for two years, and both need 8 full time FBS member in order to qualify for what will be a higher CFP in 2025.  Two new FBS conferences:  an FBS WAC and an FBS Summit both getting CFP payments by 2025.

 

You really put the “No” in Nostradamus.  

[bison73]

How many timelines have already been moved that were at the time absolutes? What happened to the NCAA changing the rules for UND? What happened to NDSU following UND to FBS?

You could actually go on for hours on his predictions that hes stated as fact.  But he keeps moving the goalposts, timelines, scenarios but calls everyone a troll who questions him??????

 

[bincitysioux]

I like SiouxVolley's thought process.  He sees the big picture.  Whether he is right or wrong, time will tell I suppose.  

He wants UND to go nationwide in all sports, like we are in hockey.   It seems like 90% of folks here would be happy with tippy toeing into Fargo.  

The Big Sky offered us a huge opportunity to set ourselves apart, but for some reason few seemed to embrace it, including the fanbase and administration.

IMO, slamming the door on the Big Sky will go down as an even  bigger mistake to the athletic department as it was to wait 5 years to join DI after UNC, SDSU, an NDSU did.

Honestly, the nickname fiasco has been handled far better than conference affiliation issues.  And that's not saying much...........

[darell1976]

36 minutes ago, bincitysioux said:

I like SiouxVolley's thought process.  He sees the big picture.  Whether he is right or wrong, time will tell I suppose.  

He wants UND to go nationwide in all sports, like we are in hockey.   It seems like 90% of folks here would be happy with tippy toeing into Fargo.  

The Big Sky offered us a huge opportunity to set ourselves apart, but for some reason few seemed to embrace it, including the fanbase and administration.

IMO, slamming the door on the Big Sky will go down as an even  bigger mistake to the athletic department as it was to wait 5 years to join DI after UNC, SDSU, an NDSU did.

Honestly, the nickname fiasco has been handled far better than conference affiliation issues.  And that's not saying much...........

How did the Big Sky set us apart? It was the only conference available for football. I am pretty sure if the MVFC/SL said we will take both USD and UND, we would have never set foot in the Big Sky. How is UND tippy toeing into Fargo, I don’t see the MWC or the Big 12 knocking at their door. They are not going into the FBS as we aren’t either. We don’t have the facility nor the money to move up. 

[southpaw]

2 hours ago, bincitysioux said:

 

He wants UND to go nationwide in all sports, like we are in hockey.   It seems like 90% of folks here would be happy with tippy toeing into Fargo.  

 

Don't confuse not believing SV's wild guesses as the same as not wanting UND to go FBS.

I think a conference with und, ndsu, usd, sdsu, msu, um, Omaha, DU, UNC, Idaho and Weber would be great. Unfortunately, I don't think it happens and I'm positive it won't happen anywhere close to how SV reads the cards, or leaves, or jubilee.

[SiouxVolley]

2 hours ago, darell1976 said:

How did the Big Sky set us apart? It was the only conference available for football. I am pretty sure if the MVFC/SL said we will take both USD and UND, we would have never set foot in the Big Sky. How is UND tippy toeing into Fargo, I don’t see the MWC or the Big 12 knocking at their door. They are not going into the FBS as we aren’t either. We don’t have the facility nor the money to move up. 

NDSU has long wanted FBS, as it’s embarrassing  to them that they have won so many consecutive FCS championships and haven’t got an FBS bite.  There is no way they get that unless they cooperate with UND and certain Big Sky schools and start their own FBS conference.  UND’s recent acceptance by the MVFC, which we were all told by the Fargo media and trolls in the past was impossible, shows how Gene Taylor and certain NDSU presidents always had an issue with UND football.  That cannot be denied now, but it is and needs to be brought to the light.  Journalists in Fargo refuse to talk about their dirty politics of the past.  The leading schools in the Big Sky wanted us because we had resources to be FBS.  They just needed to be firm with NDSU to quit playing their games, which Chapman tried when he was attempting to get in.

[SiouxVolley]

1 hour ago, southpaw said:

Don't confuse not believing SV's wild guesses as the same as not wanting UND to go FBS.

I think a conference with und, ndsu, usd, sdsu, msu, um, Omaha, DU, UNC, Idaho and Weber would be great. Unfortunately, I don't think it happens and I'm positive it won't happen anywhere close to how SV reads the cards, or leaves, or jubilee.

Thats right.  You and certain others here just refuse to belive that anything positive will ever happen.

The new Summit would be a great conference for Air Force too if they move football to the AAC for football.  AFA approached the MVC about that very subject but was turned down. The Summit could be a Patriot League in the West.   AFA and Denver would make superb travel partners and AFA isn’t much of a threat in wbb or mbb.

[southpaw]

2 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Thats right.  You and certain others here just refuse to belive that anything positive will ever happen.

The new Summit would be a great conference for Air Force too if they move football to the AAC for football.  AFA approached the MVC about that very subject but was turned down. The Summit could be a Patriot League in the West.   AFA and Denver would make superb travel partners and AFA isn’t much of a threat in wbb or mbb.

I believed UND would be in the Summit but you didn't. But now it's so important for UND to be FBS? Seems you're the one who refused to believe something good would happen, like reuniting with our historic rivals in all sports. 

[North Dakota]

On 8/10/2018 at 6:22 PM, SiouxVolley said:

UND will not see the MVFC.  Why does UND stay in the Big Sky for two more years when only one is needed?  To keep scheduling the Montanas and being in contact with Idaho and Weber St.

2018  The Montanas, Idaho and Weber St give the Big Sky notice that they are leaving for the Summit.  UND moved early so the Summit has the 75% voting power needed to add them.

2020  Summit football will begin with those select Big Sky schools

2022  Summit football will move the the WAC for FBS transition 

2024  Summit FBS football will be separate

2025  Summit gets CFP $, likely to go way up over $1 million per team

A school doesn’t want to go too early to FBS as they wouldn’t get into an expanded CFP $’s until 2025 when the contract cones into effect.  The Presidents aren’t going to FBS without CFP.  That’s why the move up is delayed.  The WAC missed out on it last time and the timing is critical this time around.  They weren’t going to go FBS in 2016 and wait 9 years for a CFP payment.

Having 3 new G5 conferences opens up the possibility of a new G8 playoff too.

So in 7 years we will have a womens lacrosse team, be FBS with a new stadium and in the CFP???

 

WTF are you on? Or should I say off again??

[SiouxVolley]

4 hours ago, southpaw said:

I believed UND would be in the Summit but you didn't. But now it's so important for UND to be FBS? Seems you're the one who refused to believe something good would happen, like reuniting with our historic rivals in all sports. 

The  Summit.historically has been a crappy league.  OK with the NCC schools, but the former GLVC teams and worse are not relatable and  can’t grow because of no football.  After when realized that the Montanas and Idaho will join and replace the Indiana, Illinois, and Oklahoma schools, that changed thing completely.

NDSU at DI has always been out to screw us.  It would have been neat to get ahead of them for once with FBS, then bozoville would have gone ballistic.  The MVC schools are entirely stuck up because of B.B., which departed and a new schools are mostly responsible for.

[SiouxVolley]

23 minutes ago, North Dakota said:

So in 7 years we will have a womens lacrosse team, be FBS with a new stadium and in the CFP???

 

WTF are you on? Or should I say off again??

Coastal Carolina got a championship in baseball, a new FBS expanded stadium with less attendance than we’ve had in FCS, and will be in the CFP.  Coastal is a lot less caliber school than UND.

WTF are you on?

[Goon]

9 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

The  Summit.historically has been a crappy league.  OK with the NCC schools, but the former GLVC teams and worse are not relatable and  can’t growth because of no football.  After when realized that the Montanas and Idaho will join and replace the Indiana, Illinois, and Oklahoma schools, that changed thing completely.

The Summit has a better power ranking than the Big Sky Conference. 

[Goon]

29 minutes ago, North Dakota said:

So in 7 years we will have a womens lacrosse team, be FBS with a new stadium and in the CFP???

 

WTF are you on? Or should I say off again??

Those are some good drugs that he's on. He should share with everyone else.  

None of that is going to happen. 

[SiouxVolley]

1 minute ago, Goon said:

Those are some good drugs that he's on. He should share with everyone else.  

None of that is going to happen. 

Could try your stupidity drugs and lack of aspiration drugs, but no thanks.

[SiouxVolley]

5 minutes ago, Goon said:

The Summit has a better power ranking than the Big Sky Conference. 

It wasn’t before the Dakotas were in.  Valpo had a few good years, and UNI and Mo St were in it for a while.

The total lack of historical perspective by you is breathtakingly stupid.

[Goon]

1 minute ago, SiouxVolley said:

Could try your stupidity drugs and lack of aspiration drugs, but no thanks.

You've been typing out theories (none of which will come true)  like a man that is suffering from Delusions of Grandeur. 

Nice try though. I will give you an "A" for effort, but an "F" for substance. 

[Goon]

Just now, SiouxVolley said:

It wasn’t before the Dakotas were in.  Valdosta had a few good years, and UNI and Mo St were in it for a while.

The total lack of historical perspective by you is breathtaking.

Bless your heart. 

[North Dakota]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

Coastal Carolina got a championship in baseball, a new FBS expanded stadium with less attendance than we’ve had in FCS, and will be in the CFP.  Coastal is a lot less caliber school than UND.

WTF are you on?

WTF does CC have to do with UND? If you haven't noticed yet, the caliber of school has absolutely zilch to do with athletics. Athletics is purely driven by $$$$$$.

Where is UND going to get the money for all of your big predictions????

 

[SiouxVolley]

26 minutes ago, North Dakota said:

WTF does CC have to do with UND? If you haven't noticed yet, the caliber of school has absolutely zilch to do with athletics. Athletics is purely driven by $$$$$$.

Where is UND going to get the money for all of your big predictions????

 

Research intensive schools with football that are DI are FBS with very few exceptions like the Ivy League, which has money but doesn’t give any athletic scholarships because they got beat in most sports.

Have said for some time that UND will get a Ralph-like donation for a new stadium.  The Ralph had a dramatic impact on cash flow BTW.

Coastal is excellent at many sports, but there has been rumors that DI will narrow its membership to those in FBS conference and maybe select others like the Big East.  Don’t you think UND hockey will demand that it will  UND go FBS?