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If memory serves, there was some question back in August 2005 (when this policy came out) as to the NCAA Executive Committee having authority to make this moniker policy. Only later did the full NCAA legislative assembly (meaning all members) vote to actually give the power the Executive Committee claimed to it.

Seems folks overstepping what is in constitutions (be it the NCAA or State of ND) is an ongoing theme in this.

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Ya but the question is how can the NCAA punish a public institution for following state law? I don't know how they possibly could because UND has followed the rulings handed down to them but if a law is passed saying they have to be the sioux then the school has no choice but to abide by the law. That would mean that the NCAA would be forcing UND to break the law to avoid their sanctions which I'm sure is illegal. As far as another poster saying they could kick UND out of the NCAA, I think that would be a PR nightmare for the NCAA. Could you imagine the fallback against the NCAA for kicking a school out because they didn't like their mascot?

I think you and some others need to check who the actual Plaintiff is in the lawsuit against the NCAA. The State of North Dakota by and through the SBoHE and UND is the plaintiff. You can't differentiate between UND and the State of North Dakota as far as the settlement agreement goes. They are one and the same. The State of North Dakota agreed with the NCAA on how to handle the nickname situation and they entered into a binding settlement agreement. The State of North Dakota will not be able to renege on its agreement just because it decides to pass a new law requiring its subdivision to retain the nickname. Assuming this bill passes and is deemed constitutional, the State of North Dakota will force its subdivision (UND) to retain the nickname and will subject its subdivision to all of the NCAA previously agreed-upon consequences that comes with that decision. And those consequences are what needs to be weighed and debated when legislators decide whether to vote yes or no on this bill. Some people believe keeping the Sioux nickname is worth the NCAA sanctions, others do not. That is where the debate should lie. There is no readily apparent "cake and eat it too" scenario where UND keeps the nickname and is not subject to sanctions. The only way such a scenario could arise is if Standing Rock decides to get involved or the NCAA changes its position.

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Assuming this bill passes and is deemed constitutional, the State of North Dakota will force its subdivision (UND) to retain the nickname and will subject its subdivision to all of the NCAA previously agreed-upon consequences that comes with that decision. And those consequences are what needs to be weighed and debated when legislators decide whether to vote yes or no on this bill.

Right there in bold is the crux of this conversation.

And right there is why I'm suspicious of a Fargo representative bringing it.

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I think you and some others need to check who the actual Plaintiff is in the lawsuit against the NCAA. The State of North Dakota by and through the SBoHE and UND is the plaintiff. You can't differentiate between UND and the State of North Dakota as far as the settlement agreement goes. They are one and the same. The State of North Dakota agreed with the NCAA on how to handle the nickname situation and they entered into a binding settlement agreement. The State of North Dakota will not be able to renege on its agreement just because it decides to pass a new law requiring its subdivision to retain the nickname. Assuming this bill passes and is deemed constitutional, the State of North Dakota will force its subdivision (UND) to retain the nickname and will subject its subdivision to all of the NCAA previously agreed-upon consequences that comes with that decision. And those consequences are what needs to be weighed and debated when legislators decide whether to vote yes or no on this bill. Some people believe keeping the Sioux nickname is worth the NCAA sanctions, others do not. That is where the debate should lie. There is no readily apparent "cake and eat it too" scenario where UND keeps the nickname and is not subject to sanctions. The only way such a scenario could arise is if Standing Rock decides to get involved or the NCAA changes its position.

If you keep giving legal counsel on this matter, you'd better start billing your time to the appropriate parties. ;)

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