Goon Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 REA, Inc., was not a party in that settlement. For all we know they could tell the NC$$ to go pound sand up their _______________. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octupus25 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Not only are they cowards for holding their vote in Dickinson. Not only did they betray the Indians who were promised a chance to use the length of the settled agreement to organize, vote, etc, but it shows a real lack of class to have this decision come down before graduation. Now it'll be in the air. These dictators and that's what they are, ol' Berkely man Robert Kelly, and a few others are real pieces of work. These people couldn't name two teams in the Summit League. What a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Coaches adaptThe Summit would be a stable home for most of UND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octupus25 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Oh and a big shout out to our liberal Gov John Hoeven for not even attempting to take a stand. It's not hard. Dave Hakstol did, the people of Spirit Lake did, the people on here did. At least Horse is Thunder has some backbone to take a stand. Pomeroy, Hoeven, Kelly, and all the rest will never have my vote or my respect. Dave Hakstol had some real courage during this whole thing. No matter what goes down from here on out, I will always respect him for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 I wonder how much contact there was between the board, Kelley, Faison, coaches, REA, and the stakeholders in this sudden decision. For it to be an 8-0 vote, there must have been a lot of discussion (cover) for the board members to vote to end the use of the Sioux name. I listed to Grant Shaft on KNOX this week and he talked alot about the Summit. I wouldn't think that a SBoHE board member would have a great deal of contact with a conference official. That would fall more with Kelley and Faison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octupus25 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 I asked Kelly point blank about the nickname and stammered like he was doing a Nancy Pelosi impersnation. I told him that a lot of people love that name and that a few people shouldn't push their political agenda on us. He kept referring to Mr. Horse is Thunder has having a valid point and that all sides should be respected. I told him that Horse is Thunder won't even go and look at the Ralph. He calls it names and yet we still treat him like royalty when he visits here. He stammered some more and then admitted he didn't know anything about hockey and that he used to go to school or teach or some crap in Berkely. Right then and there I thought this guy doesn't like the name. He'll get a big ol' atta boy from his liberal friends. Mark my words, we will see a present, donation, or something from Horse is Thunder soon. Let's all be friends now. As long as you do what we want, we'll be friends with you. Some people on here are saying they want to fight back. Man it's frustrating because board is so protected. My advice is to never buy the Herald again (they are a party to this), never vote for Pomeroy, Hoeven, Dorgan, or Conrad again, boo the heck out of Kelly everytime he is on camera, avoid the race baiting crap they're doing to distract us and "prove their point", and keep the faith. Most of the people on here are true fans and might I add, patriots. You have backbone. Let's adopt the scorched Earth policy and fight wherever we can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octupus25 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 I just sent this off to our great board: I wanted to say that I find your decision two days before UND graduation to be without class. This nickname thing will hanging over the graduation. Why couldn't this have waited even a few days? Also, the fact that eight people made a decision despite the tribes being under the impression they could see the process through shows that you are pushing a political agenda far more than you are looking out for the people of North Dakota. I am ashamed of your actions. Respectfully, My name This is their email address: ndus.office@ndus.nodak.edu I encourage people to write. I know it won't change anything but it's important to be heard. Also 1100am will be talking on this issue during their 8-11 show. Let's get some callers on the horn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 I listed to Grant Shaft on KNOX this week and he talked alot about the Summit. I wouldn't think that a SBoHE board member would have a great deal of contact with a conference official. That would fall more with Kelley and Faison. Dropping the name/logo was an implicit price for gaining full D1 status and conference affiliation(s) without the NC$$ creating any issues down the road. The name/logo were effectively finished the day the "settlement" was signed. Everything done in the interim by the school, board, etc. was merely a show to avoid undue backlash by alums and other supporters. Let's get it buried on our terms, and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmksioux Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Dropping the name/logo was an implicit price for gaining full D1 status and conference affiliation(s) without the NC$$ creating any issues down the road. The name/logo were effectively finished the day the "settlement" was signed. Everything done in the interim by the school, board, etc. was merely a show to avoid undue backlash by alums and other supporters. Let's get it buried on our terms, and move on. Agreed! I love the Sioux name and always will, however this is a move that needed to be done. If we are unable to gain conference affiliation for the majority of our sports, then all of our sports will suffer...including hockey and football. Look at all the cuts being made to athletics at other college campuses around the country. I'm upset that it had to come to this, but it has. It's fine to let the anger out/blow off steam whatever but I have a difficult time understanding some of the bashing of the Summit Conference that is going on. In the end, this is the best possible conference for us to be a part of...It will save on travel costs, reestablish old rivals, make scheduling and recruiting easier which ultimately helps the whole athletic department. Why take out our anger on some who is "most likely" going to welcome us to their conference and assist us in making the transition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octupus25 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 1-888-598-8464 is the number to call to get on 1100am. They are taking lots of nickname calls right now. I just went off myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Dropping the name/logo was an implicit price for gaining full D1 status and conference affiliation(s) without the NC$$ creating any issues down the road. The name/logo were effectively finished the day the "settlement" was signed. Everything done in the interim by the school, board, etc. was merely a show to avoid undue backlash by alums and other supporters. Let's get it buried on our terms, and move on. I said it on USCHO. I'll say it here. We traded "Sioux" for the "Summit League" ... maybe. That really is a great advance for UND Hock... This is a major coup and upgrade for UND Footb... At least UND's red-ink sports maybe have a league to play in now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Guess my mind runs countercurrent anyway, but personally think that this board decision increases the chance of retaining the Sioux name. A year ago I thought the name had no chance. If Standing Rock gets a referendum, it will pass. Both the Spirit Lake and Standing Rock councils will then have a lot of state and reservation pressure to change their stance or ruin their political careers. If the 2010 deadline remained, all the momentum of a Standing Rock vote would be lost. The 30 year agreement is also key: otherwise the name would always be in peril. The chances that the nickname standing October 1st are still slim, but it's a prudent move by the board. I also agree that there's leadership at UND who would prefer to have the name go away. If the name stays, it will be only because of Sioux warriors like Eunice Davidson or Sam DuPris that came through when it counted. You batting average isn't always the best, but I hope you're sitting on this slider and rip it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 The university needs to let the dust settle before moving on and picking a new nickname. So going a few years without a nickname is a smart idea. Hopefully one will naturally appear without some random group picking one behind a closed door and trying to force it on us. But going without a nickname/logo/mascot forever would be a huge mistake from a marketing standpoing. Both academically and athletically. Folks, look out ... UND President Robert Kelley said if the nickname did change, he would form an Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octupus25 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 THE AD is going to be on 1100am this hour. The number is 1-888-598-8464 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Folks, look out ... An "inclusive planning committee". Great. Whooping Cranes. Apparently, he views this "opportunity" as a chance for a "marketing initiative". WTF? Is Billy Mays going to come on TV and exhort people to attend UND, give money to the alumni foundation, etc.? Personally, I'd support a new name like the "Filthy Bastards", but I suspect *some" bastard, somewhere would be upset ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mksioux Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 You know, I support UND keeping the Sioux name, you guys will always be the Sioux to me, but don't go there. At least USD OWNS their facilities and doesn't rent them from the city. Seriously, you guys will be having you're tongues wagging when we put up our new basketball arena in a couple years. Just don't call my town and my school crap, I don't think you've ever heard that about UND or GF coming from any of us. Don't let a few random comments get to you. All Sioux fans are a little touchy today. Best to just give us some slack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ba Ba Canoosh Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Hats off to Ron His Horse is Thunder and his ability to "grease the squeeky wheel". You may be able to take the name and logo off of UND's jersey's, but you will not be able to snatch the name from the student's and alumni's hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mksioux Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 An "inclusive planning committee". Of course it will be an "inclusive" pannel. That's just a cute way of saying they will include everyone and everything...except common sense. Even the liberal administrators on campus must understand that they need to let this thing settle for a couple years before they even think about coming up with a new nickname. Emotions are way too high to jam some new-age generic nickname down our throats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksixpack Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Are we really changing the name solely based on our conference affiliation with the Summit League?! There has to be more to this than meets the eye because the hasty action from the board of higher education yesterday doesn't pass the logical test. Why the flip flop by Grant Shaft, chairman of the board, who just a few weeks ago on your show stated his support of the name and confidence that the Standing Rock reservation would also vote to keep the Sioux nickname? Why the 30 year term agreement that makes this an impossible accomplishment after the good people of the reservations have just proven overwhelming tribal support of the nickname? Why the hurried deadline of October 1st of this year to please the Summit League when South Dakota, who was just admitted to the league, will not begin play in the league until 2011-2012, a time frame well within the original nickname deadline assigned by the NCAA (Fall of 2010). Why so much worry over the Summit League? The Summit League doesn't include UND's two major sports, hockey and football. By the way, these two sports are by far the biggest revenue sports on campus. Combined they generate probably 90%-95% of the revenue to the athletic department through ticket sales, Fighting Sioux Club giving, concessions, and merchandising. So the higher board of education hastily met in Dickinson yesterday to solidify our place in the Summit League. A league which only benefits 5%-10% of the revenue produced by sports at UND? A league who desperately wants and needs UND to come to balance with an even number of teams and a location that is perfect for the league in terms of travel. Don't be fooled by the other 6 bogus teams who supposedly have applied to get into the Summit. A little fact finding will show that these schools do not match up to league standards for either travel logistics, academics, or fan support reasons. Also, for those of you who don't know already, the guy pulling the Summit League commissioners strings is none other than President Chapman from NDSU, who has convinced him that UND will bring a lot of 'baggage' to the conference if admitted. This decision must really have Mr. Chapman and NDSU in a great mood today! So who is happy with this decision? The alumni and fans of UND? NOOO!, as the message boards and comment sections of many web sites can verify, they are very angry! The majority of the folks on the Spirit Lake and Standing Rock reservations. NOOO!, they feel betrayed by UND as they stuck their necks out and went through a bitter and painful process to prove their overwhelming support for the name and now it is all for not! The opponents of the name. NOOO!, the majority of these folks are angered that the reason the name is being dropped is because UND needs a conference and not because of the reasons they decree that the name is hostile and abusive, etc! This was either an awful knee-jerk decision or there is more than meets the eye as it just doesn't pass the logical test! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the green team Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 I was listening to the morning show on 1440 this morning- and the guest host since Tim is gone pointed out some things that got me thinking. 1. He said-- and I'm paraphrasing that "with all this talk of retribution of ending Native programs, and not going to their casinos, it shows maliciousness on our part over the name. We end up just proving their point (nickname opponents)--that we are only about the name, and not in support of Native American peoples. Why is the reaction of so many -to hurt others- by so many on here and on the comments section of the gf herald website. "We can't have our nickname so I don't think they should get support of their native american programs or I'm not visiting their casinos, or I'm not donating to the athletic program now". I tend to agree this school of thought, as a--backwards and vindictive. As he stated, there was a strong majority of Native Americans on the Spirit Lake Reservation supported the nickname and by and large probably a large portion of Standing Rock's as well. Why then do we all feel necessary to hurt these people in some way by suggesting we take away programs. As he pointed out "it doesn't make a lot of sense to do so" 2. Swyg pointed out that yes the Spirit Lake Tribe voted- and yes it means something, but at the same time these tribes had 30 years to act and take a stand on this issue- sometimes when you procrastinate in life, it doesn't work out. The vote was nice, but the reality is that our institution is working against a time situation in order to find a home for some of our athletic progams- it is necessary to survive. Believe it or not, if it's not the perogative of the institutions of the Summit to wait for us while we figure it out- then that is their perogitve. You would have to believe that since the WCHA schools are not thrilled with the possibility of an unbalanced schedule ie. Bemidji, the Summit probably isn't thrilled with that possiblity either and want to get 12 teams settled as soon as they can. It shouldn't take brain surgery to figure this out. I'm not happy about losing the nickname, I don't really like the way some of the anti-nickname people went about the tactics of fighting their battle- but they were the minority--and believe it or not in our country's history sometimes the minority has won out-(like it or not). I'm ready to move forward and support our athletic programs at the University of North Dakota. regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octupus25 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 The AD was on 1100 and he was either being held by General Secretary Kelly's puppet strings or he was doing some spinning. It was pathetic. I actually like this guy personally and I understand he has to tow the company line, but it's sickening all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 The AD was on 1100 and he was either being held by General Secretary Kelly's puppet strings or he was doing some spinning. It was pathetic. I actually like this guy personally and I understand he has to tow the company line, but it's sickening all the same. This is what you get when you hire someone to the president and the Ad's office that is not "one of us" not saying that these people arn't capable but they have no connection to the Fighting Sioux nick name. They don't know what it really stands for. To them it's just a name if it changes so be it. They probably look at it as a impediment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Grant Shaft coming up shortly on KNOX. Streaming link on the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Apparently, he views this "opportunity" as a chance for a "marketing initiative". WTF? Is Billy Mays going to come on TV and exhort people to attend UND, give money to the alumni foundation, etc.? Personally, I'd support a new name like the "Filthy Bastards", but I suspect *some" bastard, somewhere would be upset ... Fil-thy Bas-tards, clap, clap, clap-clap-clap, Fil-thy Bas-tards, clap, clap, clap-clap-clap, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Listening to Grant Shaft on KNOX Radio. His spin ... State Board did this to spur along the tribes. Spirit Lake vote is not binding on Spirit Lake Tribal Council. October 1 deadline allows for: - Spirit Lake actions - Standing Rock referendum (hopefully on July 15 ballot) - resolutions from tribal councils - application to Summit League Shaft claims to be a nickname supporter, but voted as part of the 8-0. - says voted to make concensus vote (as an aside, geez, I hate that notion that 8-0 is better than 7-1 or 6-2 on a P/F vote) - claims there was possibility that it could have been changed May 14, not October 1 Of the 8 board members, 4 graduated from UND, and Espegard is a UND supporter and GF resident. - he claims much alumni thought was put into this - "there was some thought behind the action" Q: Who pays to refit REA? A: Nothing has to be done to REA; however, if they want to host NCAA tournaments ... settlement with NCAA defines that A: "UND would have to pick that up." " ... we can't just let this single issue drive all of the university's athletics ... " " ... loss of Summit League opportunity would be devastating ... " " ... have to bleed green across the board ... " Q: Why did Summit drive the end of this issue? A: " ... my view driven by view of Athletic Department ... " A: UND AD and President told (Shaft) they need Summit League. Claims this is better than case where it could have been gone yesterday or at June meeting. Claims SBoHE dug deeper into this than most topics. Claims board has worked closely with UND, alumni, and REA to satisfy all partners. Claims other option would be do nothing (and risk Summit League). Q: Does Summit accomodate all other sports but hockey? A: Not football. A: Claims Summit is "advantagous" to try to get into Missouri Valley for FB Q: Is UND guaranteed into Summit? A: No. No quid pro quo. A: Claims Summit has talked with SCSU about "campus disruptions" when UND comes to town (sidebar: Allow me to puke here) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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