The Sicatoka Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Saying "name the schools and cities" is bashing? Really? And I never said the valuable thing isn't already gone. Heck, I believed this when it was first put out there. Now, back to bashing: Bashing would be saying I expected more in exchange for "Sioux". But I never said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Saying "name the schools and cities" is bashing? Really? And I never said the valuable thing isn't already gone. Heck, I believed this when it was first put out there. Now, back to bashing: Bashing would be saying I expected more in exchange for "Sioux". But I never said that. Maybe my sarcasm meter's broken? Tomorrow's outcome will be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxMeNow Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 *There is nickname fatigue amongst the faithful, and it's time to move on. It's about providing the best opportunities possible for our present and future student athletes in all of our programs. Sadly, it looks as though retiring the Fighting Sioux name will be what it requires to move the ball forward. The writing was on the wall 18 months ago. * There IS and always will be - from here on out. All it would take to BLOW UP any new "agreement" between UND and the tribes would be another stupid "Cowboy and Indian" party on campus and here we go again....it's time to CUT IT ALL LOOSE you guys...I'm sorry! I was always one of the most strident supporters of the name until I realized....there is NO WAY to win here and we do NEED to get our other programs into a DI conference ASAP! The Summit won't "wait" for us...and the Big Sky has shown no inclination to expand east. This isn't a game - unless ALL you care about is hockey. Maybe some of you do? But I'd say then you really don't care about the future of UND.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxMeNow Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 and IF the SBoHE votes to change the nickname tomorrow? It would be a mercy-killing instead of a long drawn-out execution! The politicians would have to know what's at stake....and if they do that's fine with me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Tu-Uyen Tran writes about the meeting in his blog also. This statement at the end stands out: Tu-Uyen has another blog entry on the subject. He is in Dickinson for the SBoHE meeting. It now sounds like they are going to discuss the issue and then make a recommendation to have a vote on the subject at their June meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 There is nickname fatigue amongst the faithful, and it's time to move on. It's about providing the best opportunities possible for our present and future student athletes in all of our programs. Sadly, it looks as though retiring the Fighting Sioux name will be what it requires to move the ball forward. The writing was on the wall 18 months ago. Fighting Sioux is > Summit League IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Fighting Sioux is > Summit League IMHO. I know you love this University as much as anyone here. But after reading that, all I can say is that I'm glad you're not amongst those calling the shots on this one. Who are the opponents filling the Betty now? What exactly is the carrot we are holding out for? Get the referendum at Standing Rock, win it, retire the name with grace, and move forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB#11 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 The University of North Dakota...PERIOD...NO NICKNAME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I know you love this University as much as anyone here. But after reading that, all I can say is that I'm glad you're not amongst those calling the shots on this one. Who are the opponents filling the Betty now? What exactly is the carrot we are holding out for? Get the referendum at Standing Rock, win it, retire the name with grace, and move forward. UND isn't going to be filling the Betty with the likes of Oakland, Oral Roberts, Southern Utah, Western Illinois, Centenary, IPFW... I also don't see any need to hurry and make a rash decision before the Standing Rock Tribe votes, at least let them play out the process. Does anyone thing the Summit leave UND in the dust, don't see it happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 The University of North Dakota...PERIOD...NO NICKNAME To me that is acceptable for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-1 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 UND isn't going to be filling the Betty with the likes of Oakland, Oral Roberts, Southern Utah, Western Illinois, Centenary, IPFW... I also don't see any need to hurry and make a rash decision before the Standing Rock Tribe votes, at least let them play out the process. Does anyone thing the Summit leave UND in the dust, don't see it happening. What people are forgetting is that the coaches of our Summit-bound sports need to have this affiliation written in stone for recruiting purposes. They would no longer have to speculate about the future of the program and would be able to provide a vision for the recruits. That is huge in their eyes. The sooner we lock in our inevitable Summit League spot, the sooner we start getting better recruits and a more stable program. I know there are many hockey people who could care less about that and think the name is more important but they are completely wrong. This is a historic time for all the other sports programs at UND and they need to realize it. The next step would be locking in the Missouri Valley spot for football which is going to happen also. Just not under their current setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 As sad as i would be to see the name go i think it would be best if we changed it. I can live with just UND for now and a nickname later. I think the Summitt is making this choice for UND instead of the legal process. We have until Nov. 30, 2010 according to the agreement, then UND set their own timetable to study this and try to get tribal support now the Summitt is setting a timetable for UND to drop the name or get tribal support now. Why doesn't President Kelly come out and hold a press conference to relay the actual timetable to everyone including the Summit. So what does this do to all the Indians that voted for the Sioux nickname on the Spirit Lake and all the potential Sioux supporters on the Standing Rock who may not even get a chance to vote. I feel bad for the Spirit Lake Supporters who showed the PC crowd that they support the name. Oh wait if the name goes we don't have the Indians to worry about anymore. Lets see them blame their poverty, racism, and joblessness on something other than the Sioux nickname. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 The sooner we lock in our inevitable Summit League spot, the sooner we start getting better recruits and a more stable program. Inevitable is the reason we let the process play out. Let the Standing Rock Tribe put pressure on the Tribal coucil to have their vote and go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Illiniwek Supporter Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Inevitable is the reason we let the process play out. Let the Standing Rock Tribe put pressure on the Tribal coucil to have their vote and go from there. I agree here. Personally, I think the three other Dakota schools should be pressuring their conference bretheren to admit North Dakota. It's such a no-brainer in terms of travel expenses for everyone that it's amazing that Douple is even thinking about Utah State, or ( ) Chicago State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Illiniwek Supporter Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 * There IS and always will be - from here on out. All it would take to BLOW UP any new "agreement" between UND and the tribes would be another stupid "Cowboy and Indian" party on campus and here we go again....it's time to CUT IT ALL LOOSE you guys...I'm sorry! I was always one of the most strident supporters of the name until I realized....there is NO WAY to win here and we do NEED to get our other programs into a DI conference ASAP! The Summit won't "wait" for us...and the Big Sky has shown no inclination to expand east.All it will take is another cowboy and Indian party? There already was one such party: yet the tribal vote came in 2-1 for the nickname. (BTW, check out today's paper for a story about a frat in Alabama. Somehow, their conference affiliation was NOT mentioned at all in the story I read. ) The votes can take place at any school in any location. Yet FSU isn't making plans to drop their nickname, nor is Utah or Central Michigan. This isn't a game - unless ALL you care about is hockey. Maybe some of you do? But I'd say then you really don't care about the future of UND....Sorry, but that's over the top. The "I love North Dakota more than you do" stuff is uncalled for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Sam Dupris goes to Dickinson ... an American Indian speaks truth to power: He says the board had promised to explore whether to keep the name, but Dupris says it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Illiniwek Supporter Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 And for the people who keep arguing that "we better hurry up and beg to join the Summit, otherwise they may take Chicago State": here's some more information on the academics at that fine institution: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/c...0,2985029.story I know the Douple apologists have told me that it's easy to research a Big Ten school, all you have to do is buy as US News & World Report guide and viola! All the info you would ever need to compare schools with as many as 40,000 students. For that group of people, here's some of the info that you would need a lot of hard work to gather, much less analyze and winnow thru: (Chicago State) Faculty also are concerned about the trustees' decision to lower the minimum ACT admissions requirement to 15, from 18, as they fear that students with lower test scores will be less likely to succeed.I'm sure some of you are thinking "hey, don't you need much more than a 15 on the ACT just to get an athletic scholarship?" Don't worry, Super-Commissioner Douple is on the job! He'll have an answer for that to protect the Summit presidents from thinking too much. And....if you get a far shallower pond, its a lot easier to rise to the top, isn't it? (Chicago State's new president) also wants to increase undergraduates in the Honors Program to 600, from about 50. Again: be careful what you wish for. If your read this and still think Chicago State is a school you'd be proud to be associated with, then by all means jump at that Summit offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 UND isn't going to be filling the Betty with the likes of Oakland, Oral Roberts, Southern Utah, Western Illinois, Centenary, IPFW... I also don't see any need to hurry and make a rash decision before the Standing Rock Tribe votes, at least let them play out the process. Does anyone thing the Summit leave UND in the dust, don't see it happening. You were a supporter of staying Division II I take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I agree here. Personally, I think the three other Dakota schools should be pressuring their conference bretheren to admit North Dakota. It's such a no-brainer in terms of travel expenses for everyone that it's amazing that Douple is even thinking about Utah State, or ( ) Chicago State. The last article that I read basically state that the Summit was not looking at these schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 You were a supporter of staying Division II I take it. I think the time to move was when NDSU and SDSU moved. I would be willing to bet I am not the only one that feels this way. This whole move has been a mess from the get go. Poorly handled by the University. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I think the time to move was when NDSU and SDSU moved. I would be willing to bet I am not the only one that feels this way. This whole move has been a mess from the get go. Poorly handled by the University. I agree with you on timing and there are many that felt the same way. Kupchella had a bad experience with D-I at a prior job and it clouded his thinking, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmksioux Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 The last article that I read basically state that the Summit was not looking at these schools. As much as I love the Fighting Sioux logo and nickname, it is time to change it. UND needs conference affiliation more than it needs the nickname right now. Summit League affiliation allows UND to schedule old conference rivals, keeps travel costs down (which is huge with this economy), and allow the coaches in these sports a better opportunity to recruit. Some may say that there may be other conferences, but in all reality the Summit League is the best fit for us. Today is a sad day as the inevitable looks to be happening, but on the flip side, this should be the first step to gaining conference affiliation and stabalizing the athletic department for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Ah, the Summit League, where their house is so clean Tom Douple can worry about others'. Last month at Centenary College ... http://apnews.myway.com/image/20090513/Old...docid=D985H2P02 More info: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090513/D985H2P02.html All y'all have a fine day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 As much as I love the Fighting Sioux logo and nickname, it is time to change it. UND needs conference affiliation more than it needs the nickname right now. Summit League affiliation allows UND to schedule old conference rivals, keeps travel costs down (which is huge with this economy), and allow the coaches in these sports a better opportunity to recruit. Some may say that there may be other conferences, but in all reality the Summit League is the best fit for us. Today is a sad day as the inevitable looks to be happening, but on the flip side, this should be the first step to gaining conference affiliation and stabalizing the athletic department for the future. I pretty much feel this way too, but I also think that a reasonable compromise between those who want the name dropped now, and those who want to fight this until the bitter end, is to change the deadline for gaining tribal approval to December 31, 2009. I've felt for some time that we'd know shortly after the Standing Rock election this fall whether there's any hope there or not. If we haven't gotten Standing Rock approval by the end of this year, it's probably never going to happen. IMO, giving assurances to the Summit that the issue will be resolved by the end of this calendar year should be enough to get the ball rolling and reserve, for lack of a better word, UND's spot in the conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choyt3 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Just heard on KFGO that the ND Board of Higher Education has voted today to DROP the Fighting Sioux nickname. More to come... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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