Kermit's Luck

You might need to look up the definition of hypocrite and/or work on reading comprehension. Cheers broseph.

I hate to interrupt the circle jerk in here, but the point you guys are missing is that some people think it’s important that college hockey be available to girls->women. I agree with them. I may not have ten years ago when I was saltier and a little more conservative, but now that I have a slightly different worldview and a baby girl I absolutely think women’s hockey at UND shouldn’t go down without a fight. I’m sick of career administrators making the “tough decisions” while making a buttload of dough and then retiring to Colorado or wherever and not giving two sh*ts about the tough decisions they made. It’s easy to point to the dollars and cents and say that hockey needed to get the axe – but the opinion of the people wanting to save the program is that a $1.3M deficit can be made up a number of ways, and eliminating a program at what we like to consider the premier hockey school in the country isn’t how they would have done it. Does the women’s team live a little large for the revenue it brings in? Absolutely. Do we need to prioritize Olympians (some foreign) over local players and budgets? No. Could we cut the WH budget by 30% and make some deeper administrative cuts to make up the difference? I think so. Doesn’t take too much senior-level “reorganization” to free up a decent chunk of change to allow UND to provide an opportunity for girls to grow up dreaming of putting on the green and white. This website has gotten hard to read for someone with different opinions. There is rarely true discussion; it’s all piling on, name calling, and mildly-to-moderately flawed logic getting passed around between the same 10 usernames. I think the nickname situation just has all UND fans itchin’ for a scrap, regardless of topic! Go Sioux!

Anyone hoping he dislocated his shoulder so he can play next week has never dislocated their shoulder before.

Nope, no Fighting Hawks gear for this guy. Happy to keep using the nickname I grew up with, and apparently most of the fans at the Ralph last weekend agree. I'd imagine all of those people have kids in head-to-toe Sioux gear from sizes now through adult too. Maybe some will go PC and switch to the Fn Hawks, but I don't think all. I accept reality - we have a new name and logo. If the name wasn't the most generic in athletics OR the logo wasn't super lame and embarassingly postal OR the whole nickname/logo process didn't play out the way it did - there's a chance I'd support the new name/logo and give it a shot. Roughriders/Nodaks fit that bill for me, but that didn't happen - can't say I'da switched then anyways. Go Sioux! (good luck to the hoops vs Arizona, if Holy Cross can do it...)

Hahaha 2,879 posts of awesomeness! Keep it up UND1983!!! Sorry we have different opinions, bro.

Just got back to the Ralph for the first time in a few years - it was great to see all the Sioux logos/mentions/etc. It'll be a bummer when they start jamming the Hawk down our throats, but I guess that's what we're in for. Still think the choice of Hawks was awful, and even with incredibly low expectations for the logo - that's a huge disappointment also. So good to see Sioux gear outnumber Hawks gear 20-1 on gameday! At least this generation will be stubborn enough to stay Sioux - and I wouldn't be surprised to see it 50/50 at best in 20 years. Sioux yeah yeah!!!

Absolutely. Agreed. What I expect, or at least hope to get, from my leisure-time activity of reading sports message boards about my favorite teams (Red Sox included btw) is intelligent discourse, maybe some insider information, a few one-liners, and an additional level of immersion into the culture surrounding those teams. I used to get that here (got on the uscho forum just after I graduated and moved away from GF, was happy when SS sprung up!), but I'm not sure the ratio of good to bad is there anymore. It's expected that some percentage of the contribution won't meet my lofty standards, but if most of it doesn't then I should use my leisure time differently. This is literally the same people re-hashing the same debate that has been ongoing here for what, 3-4 years? Thanks for the advice bud, I'll add coach discussion to the list of things I no longer want to read this group's opinions on. Have a good one, and go Sox!

Man, it took you guys less than two weeks to get back to the scintillating topic of "nattys" vs sustained success without winning the single-elimination tourney at the end of the year. I miss the days when sports weren't over-analyzed to !@#$ and everyone wasn't a freakin' genius. Don't even have gfhockey to blame this time, nicely done team. I think these forums (and the discussion herein) have jumped the shark. Too bad really, in the pre-nickname/clickbait/hakbash days i used to enjoy lurking the crap out of this place.

The racks of National Championship gear (at Scheels) with Fighting Hawks on the t-shirts were still almost full at 12:30 or so Sunday. At the same time, the racks of gear with just the ND logo and no mention of F'Hawks were completely picked through and getting down to only XL's and S's. In three colors.

Sorry for all the folks that are going to be blacked out tonight - that's a definite bummer. Things could be worse than Tim H on the radio though, and you might be able to find some weird pirate of CBS Sports somewhere online. As someone with the sports package and the CBS channel though, I'm stoked. Trading Dan Hammer and Katie O'Hale for Dave and Shireen Starman is such an upgrade it's not even funny! AND I can use my dang DVR and watch it with all the leisure a working stiff like myself deserves. Need another drink? Pause button. Feel like a game of FIFA? Pause button. Pregnant wife needs more takeout food? Pause button. Love it. GO SIOUX!!! Keep winning, keep the Penrose Cup where it belongs, and get that Pairwise set up for a good route to Tampa. Happy Friday!

Nicely done MadScout03. +10!

Is that a hoodie? Faux hockey jersey lacing at the neckhole? Do I need to ask my aged parents to go on a field trip? +10 Internet points to the first poster that buys one and posts pics and details.

Boy am I glad I have 25 years (minimum) of Sioux gear left to wear! And a seamstress wife that can repurpose the stiched-on logos from old hoodies and so forth. And to think I thought my parents were crazy for getting me 3-5 Sioux items every Christmas for the last 5 years... On message boards, you can say "Hockey-only" "Head in the Sand", whatever you want. At the Frozen Four, I'll be representing the UND that I grew up with, graduated from, and proudly support. For that process to end with the most generic name possible - the logo likely won't matter for me. Hopefully it's something cool that the students can rally around (at least the ones raised in a non-Sioux household, poor bastards), and keep all of our athletes from OR, TX, and so forth happy. Save your money for tickets to Tampa - don't buy that crap! GO SIOUX!!!

Did Brandt just say holy f$ck?

Listen up smoky - put the vaporizer down, and don't ever call this hockey team the Sundogs again. Put on some Floyd and step away from the keyboard.

yeah, that's some tinfoil hat action there for sure. i bet our man has some awesome conspiracy theories. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me!

Pretty sure willythekid was talking about the fact that you: 1. Called all people with a different opinion about the nickname "temper tantrum throwing colleagues" 2. Proclaimed yourself the "winner" because someone else called you slapnuts. "Name calling means you are losing the argument" I'm no expert on logic but I think I see some inconsistencies there.

Yeah man, in my opinion and experience the Sioux nickname/logo was one of the most highly recognized in the NCAA. I would base this on numerous "best jersey" contests in which UND gear would advance past many NHL teams, and also my own experience of being stopped in airports, golf courses, random bars and having people talk to me about the Sioux. I don't think Eastern Carolina alums (random school selected, no meaning whatsoever) have that kind of thing happen to them very often. Just a tangential opinion, no biggy. I'm a fan of UND sports too, but I'm a little bummed out by being sold out by the snakes within as we lost the nickname battle. Cheers.

Nice poll bro. Your description of Sioux/North Dakota supporters as "toddlers" and "petty" isn't exactly how I see it. I see people whose University and State Board of Higher Ed leadership gave them absolutely no assistance in fighting the battle against the NCAA taking away the existing nickname and identity (most recognizable and lauded in NCAA in some opinions) that we proudly had for years. The SAME battle that schools like Utah, Florida State, and Illinois were all able to win easily. I understand that we had two tribes to deal with, but the University's leadership never made a concerted effort to increase nickname support in those places. For those that say "If just one person is offended, that's too many", well I guess I could describe that mindset with some words of my own but it's all good. We all have opinions (among other things), and name-calling over a difference could fairly easily be described as petty and childish. GO SIOUX

Right, and the internet warriors that voted for nicknames repeatedly and/or post here all day long think its unfathomable that some of those people we all saw wearing Sioux jerseys during the run to the Frozen Four might want to remain the University of North Dakota without some random marketing cheese for t-shirt sales and a feather in some career educator's cap. If the final 3 are "North Dakota" "North Dakota Roughriders" and "North Dakota Sundogs", I would expect a very close race between RR and no nickname. Luckily, those are my top two.

I'm not so sure a 21-year old from Oregon that happens to play volleyball for UND is any more of a stakeholder than the rest of us. She'll likely not make ND her permanent residence upon completion of her playing career, and had likely never heard of the Sioux debate prior to receiving her offer to play collegiate athletics there. It's a charged debate, and I'm looking forward to resolution one way or another. I was born in GF, got a degree from UND, and have supported UND athletics (that's a generous description, but I have cut a check or two) since I've left the state to begin my career. I'm a hockey-first fan, Sioux supporter, and hope we stay with the unique, distinctive, and somewhat stubborn "No Nickname" approach to the situation we've been placed in by the NCAA. Roughriders is tolerable, Nodaks would be weird but OK, and the rest are absolute garbage. I think the fix is in towards Sundogs and that is a testament to PC-groupthink and the general worthlessness of consultants in general.

Is the Indian head on the Bowen replica the right size? Looks like a pretty nice jersey except for maybe that. The fake game-worn thing is pretty lame...

We barely remember the Henderson/Hoogsteens throughout the program's history if they don't get on a hot streak at the right time and hang a banner. I agree though - a mix of the high-end'ers that keep us relevant in the NHL development game and the grinders playing "For the Love of the Game" leaving it all on the ice is a great recipe. We had a great mix of the grinders this year (Pattyn, Gaarder) but didn't have the scorers to give Zane a cushion in the big games. Especially when McMillan went down.

I don't think the finer points (or the basic meaning for that matter) of the idiom "behind the 8 ball" are on display in this thread.

Being played at Coors Field - address there is 2001 Blake Street...