Kermit's Luck

Right. And what's the point of orchestrating the biggest election fraud in history and not get a Senate majority? Why risk getting caught in the biggest scandal in American history to still have gridlock? If they had magic software or a mail-in ballot print shop, why stop at the President? Without actual evidence, there's still hope that the grownups in the GOP can end this.

Quoted from an article from mlive.com, a regional news website. The imbalances are basically clerical errors talking about 4 votes. Even if it were 27 votes in every precinct, Biden's lead is 150,000 votes. What's the point of this whole debacle if not to acquiesce to Trump? "Unbalanced precincts cannot be recounted by law, and have historically been attributed to human error. A jammed tabulator or a person signing in to vote and leaving before casting their ballot can result in imbalance. Most of the unbalanced Wayne County precincts reported to the board Tuesday were off by three or four votes. The largest discrepancy of unbalanced votes was in Livonia, where 27 more ballots were counted than what was on record in a precinct. Board members Allen Wilson and Kinloch, both Democrats, said their colleagues' initial votes were politically motivated. “(Imbalanced precincts) is a normal occurrence, this happens every election cycle and doesn’t prove there was deliberate misconduct during the election,” Wilson said. “Our job is to be objective, and I believe that voting here is fair and represents the will of Wayne County.” It isn’t the first time out-of-balance precincts have raised concerns in Detroit, as Michigan election law doesn’t allow recounts of precincts where poll books don’t match the number of ballots cast. But the issue hasn’t stopped canvassers from certifying election results with similar issues in recent years.

I think it had to do with increased voter turnout due to the pandemic, voter registration efforts, and increased mail-in balloting. Voting against the worst President of anyone's lifetime might have played a role as well.

Most states have laws binding the choice of electors to the result of the popular vote. The State Legislatures play a procedural role that isn't intended to be some bull$%!# political Hail Mary for wannabe autocrats.

I know how the Electoral College works. The electors are sent to Congress to represent the will of the electorate. Biden got more votes in Michigan (GA, AZ, NV, PA, MI, WI, and others). Those states will send electors per the vote on November 3, and this drama will end but be an embarrassing stain on our country. You've swallowed the hook bud, try reading some websites that don't get scores of RIGHT on mediabiasfactcheck.com.

But they're not following the process. Wayne County (MI) previously certified election results with the same amount of "imbalances" as the 2020 election. Why not now? Anything to do with Trump trying to politicize a normally non-political process? Trump knows he's not going to get three states to capitulate to his attempted coup. He just wants to sow dissent and magnify his brand prior to leaving office. Doesn't hurt that he's still squeezing donations out of people either.

You seem to be all-in on Trump staying in office by discrediting the election. Where is the proof? This isn't combing through records of meetings, interviews, etc. They're claiming vote manipulation via software. Evidence of that is binary - you either have it, or you don't. We're almost two weeks away from the election being called for Biden - why do we still only have a bunch of lawsuits NOT alleging fraud, and a batshit crazy press conference. There is no way the framers of the Constitution had this in mind when they drew up that document.

They decided they didn’t like Trump after all? Even after all the nicey-nice with Putin?

Do you see any difference in that being a response to an interviewer’s question three years after the election compared to what our lame duck president is doing?

She wasn’t the president. She gave a concession speech. And she certainly didn’t spend her days tweeting trying to incite an uprising over fraudulent claims of election fraud, damaging our own citizen’s trust in their government and the election process. And by the way, Russia (our global adversary) helped trump win. He knew about it, and people connected to him likely assisted their efforts. Hope that makes you feel good about your MAGA hat.

Enlighten me.

You keep banging that drum, but that’s not how most state Constitutions are drawn up. And if you’re OK with gaming an election via the state legislatures and disregarding the will of the electorate, you’re no patriot. Show me verified proof there was fraud on the scale required to change the results of the election and I’ll be the first one to acknowledge Trump as the winner and look forward to the dismantling of our current dumpster fire of a two-party system. Until that proof comes out, the MAGA crew is just riling people up to appease 45’s ego, keep money coming in, and prep a nice soft landing for our golfer-in-chief.

When is the last time an American president refused to acknowledge the results of an election? again, if this is legit the hammer should come down on the perpetrators. Until there is proof, this is all MAGA bs. edit to add: elect a reality show yahoo President, get a reality show...

I'm now a blue voter (mostly out of being anti-red i.e. pro-environment, inclusion, etc - i do agree with some parts of the GOP platform), and I fully agree - if this is true and can be proven conclusively, it will be the biggest scandal of the modern era. All involved should see bars for the rest of their days. But what if it's not true? Is there a penalty for concocting BS and trying to throw a nation into turmoil over pride and a desire to stay in power?

Oh. You literally said after Hilary said that, that a line was drawn. Guess you meant it more vaguely than you wrote it.

Read more slowly pal.

That references nothing in my post, so why quote me? Trump is divisive. The most divisive politician I’ve ever heard speak. Even his coronavirus update was full of red/blue rhetoric. Glad he lost, that’s for sure.

Never said that. He’s certainly a symptom of a bigger problem, but not the cause. And unfortunately, he has stoked the flames of division more than I ever thought an American president would do.

I’m pretty sure she was referencing the white supremacy groups that were (and still are) rabid Trump supporters. But if you think that one comment from a losing candidate is equally divisive as all of Trump’s rhetoric (or perhaps created ALL of the divide in this country), that’s your opinion but it’s far fetched at best.

Please translate. I have no idea what you’re saying here. It doesn’t seem like you answered my question though.

Are you saying that Trump’s style of leadership does not increase the division in our country?

Responding to a post speaking favorably about centrists by ringing up Matt Gaetz is confusing to me. Those things are not related. That guy is a mega-partisan tool.

It might already be here. Throwing money at expedited vaccine research during a global pandemic is literally the most basic thing that would have been done by any administration. Wonder what the infamous "pandemic playbook" had to say about vaccine development and at which stage to begin it? Not getting in pissing matches with the FDA over random malaria drugs wouldn't have been a bad idea either, if you're worried about the timeline for vaccine approval.

There was plenty of evidence that Russia interfered with the 2016 election in order to promote the Trump campaign. There was also a non-trivial amount of evidence that collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign also occurred. I'm glad that was investigated, and wonder how a trial would have played out in a non-politicized arena. A lot of that evidence would have stuck on a wall that didn't have Trump/GOP Teflon spray all over it.

Agreed (the states will certify etc in time and be bound by law to send electors representing the vote in each state), but at what cost? Increasing divisiveness when we sorely need the opposite? Undermining faith in the government and our democratic election process? Totally self-serving dick move. I can’t believe the grownups in the GOP are still catering to this wannabe autocrat.