so, remind me again why you originally, and continue to, quote my posts and view my facts and opinions as wrong? i'm tired of the roughrider crowd wearing blinders and tearing to shreds every other name, and yet feel offended by those that disagree with them. And btw, my facts, as stated, are uncontested. Your thoughts on roughriders being people who break horses is valid as well. that wasn't my point, so I didn't address it in my original post before you even started talking to me. I feel (again, a differing opinion) <gasp> the act of breaking horses is nothing original or unique to north Dakota. Every location on earth that has utilized horses, broke them. At the risk of repeating myself again and again, I also feel the choice roughriders has moved forward solely because of the Teddy Roosevelt connection. Again, as I stated originally, if roughriders is chosen I expect full on teddy usage to make this unique, or I will be disappointed. Two big R's ,or a generic cowboy on a horse, is about as stale and unoriginal of a logo as we could end up with.