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http://www.omaha.com/sports/ Sportswriter Shatel says that UNO is very attractive to both the Horizon and MVC. He goes on to say that the Horizon might add four teams to get to 14, and there is interest in both Denver and Omaha. Might they be attempting a takeover of the NCHC so other Horizon school add hockey? Would UND be interested?
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A couple alignment scenarios being thrown around that would affect the Slummit: A. After Wichita St leaves the MVC, the MVC adds Valpo, Murray St and NDSU. The MVC gets two strong bball school and two more full members for the MVFC. Theoretically, the MVFC would not be needed then, and UND, SDSU, USD, W Ill and YSU would have to fend for themselves in fb. B. The MAC decides to decimate the MVC after the Shockers leave by taking Illinos St, UNI, Bradley and NDSU for fb only. The MAC would get the three highest MVC bball budgets remaining and rip the MVC to shreds. The MAC also adds JMU for fb. Don't think either will happen, but change is inevitable.
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Some of those schools are constitutionally mandated. The optics on any one of those schools being cut so women's hockey gets saved is far worse than what the twins can muster. It's so strange that the twins and other WIH proponents haven't even brought up a vastly reduced cost for WIH. That's what I thought UND would do. Forget about competing against the Gophers and Badgers and worry about the Beavers.
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On the Utah St board, they were whining about Shanks coming back until they got word that he will be a non-schollie player. That prompted a celebration.
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U of Buffalo just cut four sports: Baseball, Men's soccer, Men's Swimming, and Women's rowing. Brings them down to 16 from 20. Buffalo still doesn't have a M lax team or a men's Ice hockey team. They could be powers in those sports and actually get attendance too.- 2,150 replies
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Well, NDSU has both as club teams. But SDSU spent more then $1 mill back in 2010 on its equestrian team and probably more now. NDSU seems to need more facilities for it, more horses instead of sheep and cattle, and doesn't have that kind of money now. Equestrian athletes often get barn duty, so if the school has an existing horse population, they have to spend long days there training and cleaning. Some NDSU posters have stated the NCAA might do away with women's equestrian, so would NDSU hang themselves out like that? The main hangup for NDSU women's lax besides affiliation is that there is not another school yet to work as a local travel partner. Lax teams like to get two games on a weekend trip like wbb, so UND and NDSU would be ideal travel partners for the MPSF which will be looking for teams as the PAC12 is splitting off or a future Midwest oriented single sport lax league. Lax would easily be cheaper. Might as well be argumentative about NDSU WIH, as it has a club team too, and arguments, not information, seem to be your specialty.- 2,150 replies
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Hooker is a strong Christian and Shanks was his good friend. If Shanks was a mormon, he would give his athlete payment or at least part of it to the LDS church and would have gone on a mission by now.
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Will be interesting to see if Wichita St does add fcs fb as their President has talked about in the past. FBS would be several years down the road, but the AAC wouldn't add their FB as a bottom feeder. If WSU adds fb, Mo St would want their FB at the same level. Could see them withdraw from the MVFC too. Again, several years down the road. Sam Houston St and Lamar both have been interested in going FBS by way of the Sun Belt, but have been turned down. There is no shortage of schools wanting FBS if a group goes together, as FBS G5 conferences max out payments at 10, making the G5 conferences completely uninterested in further expansion.- 2,150 replies
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Womens lax is NDSU's obvious next add if they go add a women's team for Title IX. They don't have a swimming facility, won't add WIH, wont build a tennis facility, and haven't shown interest in women's equestrian like SDSU. Of course it's a few years down the road, but UND could have monster facilities compared to them. The Fargo Dome turf isn't big enough for lax.- 2,150 replies
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The athletic department doesn't cash flow but the U comes close to it because lax players pay at least 3/4 ers of tuition at private schools with high tuition, schools are lined up to add it. It will lose a lot less than football. Women's lax is a very popular add now, more than doubling teams at all levels in the past 20 years. Men's lax is popular at under DI levels because of the enrollment blip. For UND, that means more kids from the burbs, which is what enrollment gurus say we need.- 2,150 replies
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Huge cutbacks in funding can either galvanize an athletic program, or bring then down further. Look at the example of W Kentucky. In the 1990's, the state cut back funding to WKU athletics by over $6 million, which was a monstrous cut then. WKU admin wanted to cut football. But at the time, WKU had a coach named Jack Harbaugh, the dAD of Jim and John. Jack proposed keeping the program with reduced cost and the program got saved. He kept building it until they won an FCS championship, even though WKU was clearly a basketball school. Then WKU moved to FBS, even though it had only a 8k stadium with stands on one side. It built on the other side, got in the Belt and out of the MVFC, and had a few losing seasons where they were seemingly hopeless. They perservered, starting winning, and are now the class of CUSA and have won several bowl games. WKU can teach us alot.- 2,150 replies
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Wichita St will actually lose major dance bucks to leave the MVC early, but we need to stay in the Big Sky longer so everyone can make more frequent flyer miles? The Big Sky supposedly wanted to ditch us, but not so much to save money.- 2,150 replies
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A college BB court is like 50' x 94'. An NHL rink is 85' x 200'. The REA seats on the curvature are not good for bball, but straight on seats are fine.
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If the cuts have demonstrated anything to this board, a school needs to maximize revenue to the great extent without harming winning. WIH did the opposite. What school would use a 12,000 seat arena for games that attract less than 1000 people that don't actually pay for a ticket? That's a gross misuse of an asset, which would drive the owner broke over time. Not saying mbb or wbb is the answer, but coming off this championship season, what better time to try it again? Helped managed an industrial facility and if anything was underutilized, their would be cuts in bad times. That is what's happening here. WIH had a budget of $1.9 mill. MBB has a budget of $1.5 mill. Meanwhile, even bottom schools in the MVC like Drake have mbb budgets more than $2.0
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Last I looked we aren't in either and won't be for some time. Wonder why?- 2,150 replies
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You definitely got the short end there. Said a number of times the WAC will go en masse in 2020, but that is obviously too much for you to comprehend as its not next year.- 2,150 replies
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Public schools can start programs for half a million or less. The problem with a men's program now is conference affiliation. Cleveland St, Detroit, and Air Force are the closest teams that would consider us. A women's program would get placed in the MPSF. The HPC handles football and track and evendors softball. It would not kick out fb for spring practice. There is 24 hours to a day actually. The long term plans had UND building a new T&F outdoor facility with a soccer field with stands. That would be ideal for games rather than the Alerus, which can be used for early ones. Whenever I mention long term planning here, most posters just can't think beyond next season when its beyond five years out. Lax is more beneficial to a school than swimming because it is has some actual revenue and people in the stands. But both sports don't normally give full time scholarships and have the students paying a high fraction of tuition. That doesn't show up on the athletic budget, but the bursar likes it. Numerous private schools have started lax because it makes the school money by tuition, but it costs the athletic department. That is why Concordia-St Paul and Upper Iowa just started it in the Northern SUn.- 2,150 replies
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B1G programs that own their own rink loses millions at WIH. They can afford it because they get underwritten by the B1G Network payments that are bigger than UND's athletic budget. Read that Minnie gets more revenue from Ridder rental than they get from tickets, and it's still a drop in the bucket compared to expenses. So we're supposed to underwrite a program at a huge loss that competes with B1G schools in conference that has massive funding available to them? Furthermore, Eastern programs that claim to break even do it by endowments or some other accounting trick, because they don't have revenue from normal varsity sources. Maybe the USA national team can get USA Hockey to underwrite UND WIH. Should have checked with the Finnish or German Olympic committees to see if they would pay for a US college to develop their Olympic talent I guess. Am amazed that Faison and Kennedy had the Cajones to drop WIH as thought the Engelstad's or Marvin's might have objected and knew the national outrage that would come from supporters of women's sports that don't put their money where their mouth is. This would have never happened under Kelley, who would have rather taken UND back to DII than dumped a PC treasure like WIH.
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The major thing is with lax, UND only has to provide 1/4 tuition for every athlete and we would be the only DI program in the tri-state region. As someone said here, even Bismarck has a club HS team now. In Minnesota, even outstate HS's have programs. There are no public schools even at the DII level in Minnesota and it has much more participation now than hockey for either men or women. Bringing it in would almost pay for itself, because kids from MSP and the west coast would flock here to get a chance for a walk on spot and the sport is relatively cheap. The HPC has already been built. There are no men's teams in the west, and its taking off with participatio there. For men's lax, some players from Minnie and Wisco want to play lax and football, so it can be a recruiting edge for fb. Tennis is a sport we will never be good at, and even to attempt to be OK will be expensive. We probably won't be good in LAX either, but it brings fans and students and is a good partying and tailgating scene. But as I said, it won't happen unless someone endows it. UND needs a spring spectator sport after we dropped baseball. Went to a few WIH games and never saw a tailgate scene at the REA.- 2,150 replies
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When we get out of the Big Sky, where tennis is a requirement, drop them, and add men's and women's lax, where we would have new facilities. I know that is just a dream, but to field a competitive tennis team needs foreign scholarships, making competitive tennis very expensive. What hasn't been state is how much capital upgrades needs to go into the 40 year old pool.- 2,150 replies
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A graduate degree from Utah St is worth more than a UND one? We got played as a development school.
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The Wall Street Journal and New York Daily News also have stories about the wickedness of UND having the balls to cut women's hockey. Oh the injustice of being a female athlete is on display here. The PC'ness of women's hockey was why I thought it could never be cut. UND will have more firestorms on this issue, but strangely no one is willing to donate money to resurrect it.
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Think when we are back in the NCC we should schedule the USD and SDSU games some weekend in the REA as well as separately the NDSU one. But make them doubleheaders with the women, even if it means a schedule adjustment. It takes money to set up basketball in the REA, but a visit to the REA might even entice South Dakotans up. It's not the BSA. Without women's hockey, the State Hockey tournament can probably be permanent in the Ralph. The Ralph should also consider getting bidding on the Class B tournament at least once if not just for getting more kids on campus.
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Would take it a step further. The WWCHA office probably notified all their members right away as it has expansion and scheduling implications that they need to know about. Someone in Barry Alvarez's office called Todd Milewski with a scoop, so Milewski got to break the story. As a journalist, they get blue ribbons for breaking a story and the since story is not negative about Wisconsin, he doesn't lose his inside information contacts..
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Pete Thamel has reported that Wichita State will leave the MVC for the AAC as soon as possible. The Shockers will have a deep and experienced team next year. If they were in the AAC, they would get a much better seed and would earn the AAC $1.6 mill for every game they won in the Dance. They don't want to leave that payday in the MVC's possession for six years. http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/wichita-state-gregg-marshall-aac-american-athletic-conference-missouri-valley-033017