JohnboyND7

I have plenty of classmates who went to UND, sexual assault I am unsure of, I'd assume that hockey players at UND have been a little over confident(just like any star athlete at many schools) at times, but I do know they have been typical college boys from stories I have heard(once again, I didn't single them out, college boys can be douches). As much as everyone wants to believe the best in their guys, it is usually too good to be true.

Justin Howard was set to start last season, or at the very least be a major contributor, and he was given the boot. Say what you want about Bohl, or Taylor, whatever makes you feel better. Fact of the matter is, things should be treated situation by situation. I want these kids to be punished the way they should be. I, nor does anyone here, know what really is the deal with these players. I hope it isn't as bad as it sounds, but if it is, like I have said, the only one who should possibly get booted, is Ojuri. The rest merit suspensions(based on info available now) of 1-3 games. There was a legitimate shot from what everyone was told (and possibly evidenced by the amount of logos put in the arena) that he was not OK with UND changing nicknames. It isn't overly relevant but it can be said that he, and the arena he built, probably was a contributing factor in the nickname fight. Like I said, UND has shown that people can be above a university. Every school has some questionable moments as far as athletes go. As much as no school worth anything wants to admit it, athletes tend to be a bit above the law. That includes UND, NDSU, Notre Dame, USC, SEC schools. Accept it. You don't have to like it, but thats how it is.

The only reason I brought him into it was because someone said UND would never allow someone to be above the University. I pointed out that Herr Engelstad was allowed to at one time. I have stuck to the belief that these guys will get some suspensions if(when) they are found guilty or get their deal settled. Not worth trashing NDSU for specifically saying they want to see what happens with this before they make a decision on the players.

And you are assuming like a complete idiot that they won't be punished! Just cause something isn't done immediately after the news hit the public doesn't mean nothing is going to happen. I guess some people would rather some rash immediate action taken....I'm not one of them. I'd like to wait until we know more, and then punish each player accordingly.

That arena belongs to UND for all intents and purposes. And if they didn't cave to his demands, he wasn't going to give it to them. So don't go pretending that UND hasn't or wouldn't do some questionable things. Like WYO said, it's like getting paid to nail the fatty. Worth considering.... Have you heard of handling things internally? Or waiting for the courts to do their thing considering the nature of what they did. You guys, just like some folks in the media, are calling for people's heads to roll over something like this? You could always just wait and see what other details to come out before you start throwing a fit. Just like these 8 players, he was investigated.

I'm saying some on here are pretending that NDSU is putting some people above the university. I simply mentioned that Ralph Engelstad held UND hostage in response to a school putting someone above the University and teams. so it is a bit "pot meet kettle" if you were going to go down that road. I never mentioned the hockey team, you did. I think that most of the NDSU folks on here have expressed sadness that this is happening, and that it is being blown out of proportion. Also, some have pointed out that some folks on here are awful quick to begin trashing NDSU/Bohl/Taylor when UND has had moments of less than perfect behavior as well.

I am going to assume you, or daddy, or a loved one has a DUI or two. Driving drunk puts lives in danger, least importantly the driver, most importantly anyone on the road. DUI is infinitely worse than what these guys did. These guys went through a phonebook and put names down. No physical harm.

Drinking and driving is worse than voter fraud. If any of these fellers got themselves a DUI I'd be thinking bigtime suspension or dismissal. Of course a minor isn't too big of a deal. Several of them, yes. One? No. There is not a problem down in Fargo. Some players on the football team tried pulling a fast one and getting paid for being lazy. It isn't like they were trying to "fraud" anyone except for the company that hired them.

Sic how many times do we have to point out the nature of the two incidents. Jemison was on thin ice already from what I've heard, and he pulled his dong out AT A MALL. But if you want to just leave that little part out, and just use the term "Class A Misdemeanor," more power to you. I once again point to the Poker/Rapist comparison from earlier. Oh no! Two games out of how many in a hockey season for flipping off an official while on camera? Everyone knows these guys are going to get punished and probably suspensions. If they don't get in any trouble at all, then you can say there is a problem with Coach Bohl and Gene. All Bohl said he was going to do was see where the courts take this, not a bad idea considering the crime was not violent, sexual, or drinking related before they make decisions on what these young men will be doing. And don't even get anyone started on being above the team or university? Evere hear of Mr. Ralph Engelstad holding a University hostage? Sounds like he was above the university to me.

I am not expecting them to get out of it. I do feel like the judge may take into an account that they were not trying to sabotage the effort to get it on the ballot. We'll see what he does. If he wants to make an example out of them, thats his perogative.

Tell me, can 100 exceptionally athletically gifted young men(many who feel entitled) go 3 months without one or more of them doing something stupid. Heck can 100 normal college guys go 3 months without any of them doing something illegal? The answer to that is no. Does that mean it should be tolerated? No. Before you pretend UND is some perfect place where nothing bad happens and the athletes are all perfect citizens, talk to students around campus. This is a serious issue but to insinuate playoff bans and/or scholarship reductions would be necessary, that is childish. It will be addressed and I imagine that suspensions will happen.

Once again, one situation is kids being dumb and lazy. One situation is a kid exposing himself in the friggin' mall. Don't lump them together because they are two completely seperate things. To whomever said "integrity vs. winning," no program is perfect and you can get off your high horse anytime you'd like. All teams are going to have trouble with some kids doing some dumb things.

Like I said, I think that Ojuri should get the hammer(and possibly the boot) and Jemison got what he deserved. The rest of these guys, at most, deserve a game or two. I'm sure they will and I hope it is for the cupcake game.

I don't see anything wrong with that. Considering that while laws may be categorized together, that doesn't mean they are the same thing. Like I pointed out yesterday, someone posted that internet poker and rape are the same class of felony in Washington. Should an internet poker player face the same consequences as a rapist? Of course they would call for all of those responsible to be held accountable.

Bohl runs a "rogue program?" Haha ok. Mohler left the team because he got beat out. I'd let it play out too because honestly I don't think this is a very big deal. They were lazy and did a bad job at work. Comparing it to the Jemison thing is ridiculous considering what he did vs. what they did. Pulling your junk out in public vs. Signing people's names on some petition, two totally different things. Sounds like some people are trying to make it into a huge deal rather than looking at what it really is. It is some college kids being lazy. I'm not saying they shouldn't be punished, but I don't think anyone(other than IMO Ojuri) should be given the boot.

Thats crap. I can't imagine that UND is in such financial trouble that they need to charge students (even $5) to watch a football game. Students shouldn't have to pay to go watch sporting events if they already pay fees. Hockey, football, basketball, volleyball, anything. If you want students to pay for tickets, then take away the student athletic fees.

Big difference between having your junk out in public and doing what these guys "allegedly" (probably, almost certainly) did. Read earlier that in the state of Washington, internet poker is the same class of felony as raping a woman. Are the crimes the same because they are in the same class and should the people who take part in these activities be treated the same? I'm sure that NDSU will do what is necessary. I could see Ojuri gone. Suspensions for the other guys. Whatever happens, I support the team. To whomever who said the majority of UND hockey players are not bad guys, the same can be said about guys on almost any team. Heck, even guys who do stupid things can be good students and good people.

A couple of posters on BV are being dumb about it. The guys screwed up bad. Hopefully it turns out ok. Some suspensions may be in order. Ojuri might be on his last strike the way it is. We'll see how it plays out.

Didn't analyze anything. Pointed out that Montana was bad that year. Going over to the dome in a bit. Today is all things football, not just NDSU. In other news, Notre Dame demolished Navy.

Shouldn't have any issues. Boys should win today by 30-40 but you never know. Football can be a weird game. Only thing we can learn today about our team is if the game is close. If we have any trouble on offense, I'll cry.

2003 team made the playoffs I believe. the one UND played if I recall, is the first Griz team on almost 20 years to not make the playoffs. I didn't say anything bad about this Marcus guy. In fact, I defended him when someone said it is almost like having a freshman play. I'm sure he will play about as good as he can. Maybe that will be enough for Portland State, maybe it wont. I only talked trash about that edition of the Montana team. I'm far from a fat guy. I'm 5 foot 8 and 160 pounds soaking wet after going to a chinese buffet(before the runs come).

We do have a great entrance and it gets everyone very excited. The one today, I hear will be different because of honoring the title team, we'll see. Cheese entrances are obvious and suck. Hopefully UND finds something that works.

also against the worst Griz team in the past 20 years or so.

Not like Hanson had a ton either. I'm sure he'll be fine. He's a 5th year senior, I'm sure he'll play the way he is capable of. Now if he is any good or not, thats another thing entirely.

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