fightingsioux4life

That 35,000 number was being thrown around during the pessimistic post-flood period, which lasted several years. I don't believe it was ever that bad. It is so good to see us moving up instead of down.

A very gross generalization. I for one am not clamoring to play FU again and there are a decent number of people in our fan base that feel the same way. And I am definitely not in favor of Faison genuflecting to the FBS wanna-bes in Fargo.

At any price? Do we need them that badly? I say no. If the costs outweigh the benefits, you don't do it. Faison had better stand his ground on this.

According to mg2009, probably ghosts since he is always on here talking about the apparent demise of the GF-EGF MSA.

Property developers simply do not "gamble" with millions of dollars unless they believe there will be a solid ROI pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Have you not heard all the stories of the lack of housing in Grand Forks? This is supply trying to catch up to demand and supply still hasn't caught up. As for the "modest population growth" of Grand Forks, let's remember that the Census Bureau has a long history of undercounting the population of Grand Forks. I think the private sector has finally caught on to that fact and is building apartments to meet actual need instead of assumed lack of need.

So your solution is to bow down at the alter of Bisonville? And no, they have not "earned that power". This is not how scheduling works anywhere else in college sports and Faison had better think twice about doing this. Could anyone imagine Alabama or Auburn bowing down to their biggest rival and agreeing to this? I can't either.

I am talking about today. And today, I would argue Iowa and Iowa State have a much better relationship than UND and NDSU. I honestly think the fan bases hate each other more now than when we were playing every year.

I think Faison is feeling the pressure from certain people to get the game back on the schedule. The way I see it, the price is too freaking high. If Faison caves in on this, every single game from now on will be in Fargo (except possibly playoff games). And that is simply unacceptable. You are not FBS. You are not in the B1G. And you don't deserve to have everything handed to you on a silver platter. And Faison would be wise not to give in on this.

Sorry son, that isn't how it's going to work. You are not an FBS program, we will not cater hand and foot to you. And I imagine Iowa and Iowa State have a much better working relationship than UND and NDSU. It wouldn't take much. And a little free advice, lay off this particular beverage, too much of anything isn't good for the body: 

Even though Rodent FB is better than it has been for a long time under Jerry Kill's leadership, you are right.

Where did this asinine idea that somehow UND is on the hook to "suck it up" or "take what is given to them" come from? It's been over 10 years since we stopped playing; it is time they get over what mean old Roger Thomas did to them. And I don't care if NDSU wins TEN consecutive FCS titles, the very concept of every game being in Fargo from now on needs to die right here and right now. Period. Faison needs to be a hardliner on this or God only knows what else FU will demand next. Could anyone imagine Iowa or Iowa State caving in to something like this? Then why should we? We shouldn't.

He is just trolling for attention. Ignore him. When you don't have the facts on your side, you have no choice but to resort to trolling. It's the FU way!

http://www.grandfork...arantee-game-gf My answer to the bolded part is simple: We refuse to play them unless it is in the playoffs. Simple as that. If Faison caves in on this, what will they demand next? A contract guaranteeing that all future regular season games take place in Fargo? Mr. Faison, you have done a solid job as AD of this department, but this would be a monumental mistake. If anyone else feels the same way, here is Mr. Faison's e-mail address: brian.faison@athletics.und.edu

I would guess no. But very few schools have the level of delusion infecting their fan base like NDSU does.

Eight of those titles (five playoff titles and three beauty contests) were Division II titles and three of them were FCS titles. How many people outside of Imperial Cass County care about D-II and FCS titles? Yes, I know, UND is at the same level, but nationally no one outside of our immediate region cares about those. I don't have a problem with that, but all the bandwagoners in your fan base do. And they HATE being called out on it. NDSU = Big Time only in the minds of their most delusional fans.

Ah yes, but you forget darell1976, hockey is a "niche sport" that nobody outside of Grand Forks cares about. Yeah and which city is Matt Greene bringing the Stanley Cup to again?

For being such a big fan of NDSU football, you should know all this by heart. And stop spinning so much, you'll get dizzy!

And it is interesting to note, starting in 1993 (the Mike Mooney "theft" game) through 1999, UND was 7-2 in the series. Extend that to 2003 (our last meeting) and it's 10-3. That one play in that one game symbolized the shift in power in the NCC and in North Dakota in college football that took place in the mid-1990's. Of course, Rocky "Knucklehead" Hager will blame it all on Division II scholarship reductions.

Good to see that NDSU math education at work again! 1990: NDSU 1991: NDSU 1992: NDSU 1993: UND 1994: UND twice 1995: UND once, NDSU once 1996: UND 1997: NDSU 1998: UND 1999: UND Based on my count, that adds up to 7 wins for UND and 5 wins for NDSU. Your math would work in George Orwell's 1984, but that is about it. Nice try, please play again.

There is no way in this or any other universe that we commit to playing all future UND-NDSU games in Fargo (and don't kid yourself, that is exactly what would happen). As for all this "...we have no leverage" nonsense, just because they are having tremendous success right now does not make them a quasi-FBS program (even if their fan base believes that). They do not deserve that kind of preferential treatment. And if that means we never play them in the regular season again, so be it. Faison has shown us his hand on this and he isn't going to cave in. And that is how it should be.

And the excuses just keep piling up for Ag Tech!

I was only talking about use in the media (print and electronic). I know cheerleaders used it from time to time (like Michigan's "Go Blue!" cheer) and that doesn't bother me. For some reason, it just bugs the heck out of me to have sportswriters use it.

I have been reading news stories about UND athletics for most of my life and I never saw Green and White until the Sioux name and logo were retired (I think Mike Jacobs enjoyed that a little too much, but that's another topic). Like I said, someone come up with examples. Maybe I was blind to it all those years; I just don't recall our colors being used all that much.

I disagree with you on this. "Green and White" belongs in the same category as "Sun Dogs", "Spirit" and "Flames". How much merchandise will we sell if our official name is "Green and White"? It's not a distinct enough brand; it's too similar to North Texas and Dartmouth. We need something that sets us apart and gives us a distinct identity. "Green and White" doesn't cut it.

I keep hearing this whole "Green and White has been used for years" statement, but when we used the Fighting Sioux name, people called us that, not "Green and White". The fight song was titled "Fight on Sioux", not "Fight on Green and White". The only example anyone was able to come up with was a Dean Blais quote after a game at Anchorage one year. And since it was a direct quote, that really doesn't count. If someone has the time (which I don't), maybe they could find better examples of this.