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Actually, I think TR built himself up using a gym his dad built.

Considering all the failures they have witnessed over the years, they shouldn't talk too much.

It wasn't brought up in 1994, but it was brought up several years prior when some people said we can't use Knights because "Climax-Fisher has asked us not to" and wah, wah, wah. I was a student at Central during that time and I remember getting sick and tired of hearing what everybody else wanted when those people had little or no stake in the future of the school. I didn't care what Climax-Fisher wanted then and I still don't care today. And that is why I am not particularly sympathetic towards people that don't want us to use Roughriders because GFRR uses it. As a result of genuflecting to everybody else, we got stuck with Maroon and Grey for several years, which was a total joke. I do not want UND to make the same mistake.

You did not understand the point I was trying to make. If we don't select a new name and logo now, this issue will come back over and over again until we do. That is a needless distraction that will suck the energy out of the institution as a whole and make us look incompetent and indecisive. That is not good for the overall image of UND and in today's media-obsessed culture, perception = reality. The sooner a new name is chosen and implemented, the better.

I was only criticizing Kelley's handling of the nickname selection process. A committee to come up with a process for another committee to use to find an acceptable name while having to sift through a bunch of asinine ideas from our long-time enemies (FU and UMTC) to find something half-way decent? I really think a more streamlined process could have been employed that still gave people some ownership of the issue. You are right about Kelley being thrown to the wolves on this whole nickname issue; he inherited the mess and has spent way too much time on it. This is another reason why picking a new name and logo is important, so that Kelley's successor can govern the school without this millstone around his or her neck.

Thank you for totally missing the point. And we are a long, long ways away from accomplishing what you described. I wish that wasn't so, but it is.

Really? You don't think that this whole nickname soap opera doesn't distract from the overall mission of UND (and not just athletics either)? Instead of focusing on making our programs more competitive, we are fighting this battle and have been for almost 10 years now. The bad press we get from this story cannot be helpful with recruiting and our overall image in the region. Thanks to Kelley's mismanagement of this whole nickname selection process, we look like a bunch of bumbling fools. The sooner we resolve this issue, the better. And going with "North Dakota" will not do that.

This is why a new name must be chosen. Otherwise, we will continue lagging behind NDSU, SDSU and our Big Sky brethren. And I for one am sick and tired of being the red-headed stepchild of the Dakota Four. And no, having REA and UND Men's Hockey does not more than make up for it, despite what some people on here like to think.

I believe I said I could live with North Stars; my preferred choice is Roughriders.

I also could live with North Stars as a name. The only ones that can't are the ones obsessed with what Webster's Dictionary says about it.

Too bad Rob Port isn't on the nickname committee. Otherwise, I might have to worry about this.

They don't meet the criteria, let's hope they stick with it.

As long as we aren't considering Spoilers (GPR) or Bruins (Fargo South), I can live with it!

Remember, variations on names could come into play here. :"Stars" without the "North" in front of it might be what is being considered here. But that is just pure speculation; I have no contacts on the Committee (maybe gfhockey does though! ).

So you are saying that ticking off Gopher fans is a bad idea? Anything that gets under their skin is a positive, IMHO. Besides, we could use just "Stars" without the directional abjective in front of it and it probably would STILL tick them off! For the record, I voted Roughriders in the poll and I think that is what it will end up being.

To be honest, I have drastically cut back on my fast food consumption; it's amazing how bad it is for you.

You obviously don't understand the difference between a public message board and a scientific survey. The former is not an accurate measure of public opinion, while the latter usually is.

Actually, someone on here said that the whole "process" is pure window dressing and that UND was negotiating for the legal rights to the North Stars name and logo. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

But according to some people here, that would be "a small price to pay".

Bring on Seattle or Hamilton, Ontario.

And you can bet if it was the Anaheim Sucks instead of the Blackhawks, it would be much slower and more sleep-inducing. This series is living up to what I thought it would.

I don't recall Baker or Kupchella doing this as much as President Foxhole. I didn't always agree with Baker or Kupchella, but for the most part they owned their decisions and defended them.

I like to call him President Foxhole. Everytime there is a controversial issue or conflict, he runs and hides in his foxhole and lets his handmaidens in Twamley do the dirty work for him. This made my day.

I believe that Goon does indeed have press credentials.

Believe what you want, but the only BS being thrown around is from you.