fightingsioux4life

The Vikings are going in the right direction. A playoff berth would be a clear sign of progress.

Today is the 10 year anniversary of the NCAA's policy regarding use of American Indian nicknames during NCAA postseason events. On Friday, August 5, 2005, the NCAA announced the following: NCAA Executive Committee Issues Guidelines for Use of Native American Mascots at Championship Events 10 years and counting. And some people on here want to fight this to the death...no matter the cost.

Which is why we cannot go without a name. I don't trust any of those suit-wearing fat cats any further than I could throw them.

People used to complain about "those damn hippies"; now a lot of them are successful professional people. Today's hipster is tomorrow's accountant, lawyer, doctor, etc.

Post of the weekend!!!

As for what to do with the old Hardees/Mia Mexico/Dickey's BBQ location, I think Grand Forks should put a cloverleaf interchange at Washington and DeMers on their transportation wish list. I avoid that intersection at morning and evening rush because of how congested it is. The Dickey's BBQ location (SE) is vacant, the NE corner is vacant, the NW corner is vacant and the SW corner has a Sinclair gas station, which could be bought out and relocated west of the cloverleaf on the north side of Demers. It could be the best addition to the Grand Forks street grid since the Columbia Road overpass.

Yeah, here we go with the Fargo is the Center of the Known Universe woofing again. Even Howard Stern will tell you that is not the case (and I don't even like Howard Stern). Grand Forks is a much different (and better) place than it was 20 years ago. The 1997 flood was a blessing in disguise, it forced us to reinvent ourselves. Now we have a large and prosperous (despite itself) UND, the new UAS tech park, the soon-to-be-built fertilizer plant, the UAS mission at GFAFB, continued Canadian traffic and more home and apartment building than any other time I can remember (and I have lived here since I was 3 years old). Go back to Bisonville and talk about how NDSU is just one step away from joining the Big 12 in all sports now that wrestling is there.

Actually, CNN has turned into a milk toast network that tries to be all things to all people. And that doesn't work all that well in this era of 500 channels and audience fragmentation.

Ditto for me as well.

Is that all you have left? Cute little two word answers in all caps?

And what would those be? Bringing back the Fighting Sioux name and logo and "accept the sanctions"? Have separate hockey jerseys that don't have the name and/or logo because regionals aren't held on-campus anymore anyway? Give a big FU (not a reference to that other school 75 miles away this time) to all the other sports we sponsor because they aren't played on ice? Are thoses the "ways out" you are thinking of? Sorry, that ship sailed a long time ago. We are coming up on 10 years of fighting this battle and we are still in the same place we were on August 5, 2005. When is enough enough?

And we have yet more cherry picking.

Because a legally-binding agreement says so. That trumps any quotes or press clippings you post on here. The last thing the NCAA will tolerate is the Fighting Sioux name and logo living on as an "unofficial" nickname. They are not that stupid. Misguided, yes. Stupid, no.

Man, you are cherry picking more than Dave Spehar did for the Gophers back in the day.

Okay, enough of this bickering over what the legal documents say or don't say. I have taken the time this evening to look up both legal documents in question (both easily obtainable via Google btw). Subsection 2(d) of the 2007 Legal Settlement between the State of North Dakota and the NCAA reads, as follows: Please note the highlighted and italicized sentence above: It clearly states that UND must adopt a new nickname and logo or go back on the naughty list. The date was obviously screwed up by Al Carlson and the Legislature's clumsy attempts to save the name and logo. Subsection 2(f) discusses the Native American imagery in REA and BESC and how that impacts UND's eligibility to host NCAA championship events. That subsection was revised in the much referenced September 2012 Addendum to the original Agreement of October 2007. I have included the sections most pertinent to the question at hand: Section 1 offered more detail on which parts of REA and BESC need to be changed immediately and which parts can be replaced in the general course of maintenance. This detail was not present in the 2007 Settlement Agreement and thus was spelled out in the Addendum. Section 3 spells out that UND is off of the naughty list if it hadn't already been removed from the naughty list (this was after the nickname law was killed off for good in June 2012). The part of Section 3 that some people are forgetting about is bolded and italicized as follows: provided the University remains in compliance with the terms of the Settlement Agreement and this Amendment. Based on what is in the Addendum, there is nothing in the Addendum that nullifies or changes Subsection 2(d) of the 2007 Settlement Agreement, only the aforementioned Subsection 2(f). Consider the timeline of events that follows: The transition to a new name and logo technically started on December 1, 2010, after Standing Rock refused to let their people vote on this issue. Then the 2011 Legislature passed a law enshrining the Fighting Sioux name and logo into State law. A last-ditch visit to the NCAA in August 2011 prior to the aforementioned August 15, 2011 deadline failed to change their position on the name and logo. Thus, UND went back on the naughty list on August 16, 2011. The North Dakota Legislative Redistricting Session passed a repeal of the nickname law on November 7th, 2011 (SB 2370). The bill also included the "cooling off" period expiring on January 1, 2015. UND comes back off the naughty list. Then SB 2370 was referred to the voters for the June 2012 Primary Election. UND is back on the naughty list. In June 2012, the State of North Dakota voted by a 2 to 1 margin to uphold SB 2370 and to proceed with the retirement of the Fighting Sioux name and logo in that election. Shortly after that, President Kelley resumed the previously aborted retirement process of the old name and logo and the process of transitioning to a new name and logo. The Addendum Agreement was signed by the State of North Dakota and the NCAA in September 2012, which also ensured that UND was off the naughty list again in recognition of the June 2012 election results and UND's subsequent resumption of the retirement/transition process. So, from December 1, 2010 until right now, UND has been engaged in an on-again, off-again transition to a new name and logo. It is highly unlikely that the NCAA would raise a stink about UND not yet having a new name and logo in place with all the disruptions and micromanaging that UND has been subjected to over the past 5 years. However, if we make it clear that we are not adopting a new name and logo, the NCAA will likely point to this as a violation of Subsection 2(d) of the 2007 Settlement Agreement and then announce that we are back on the naughty list along with Alcorn State. This is what is at stake during the next several months and why "UND/North Dakota" is simply not a feasible option.

I am thinking that is the case.

Which are being pushed by the No Nickname and Sun Dog camps...for different reasons. Politics make strange bedfellows and this is another example of that.

Oh, I figured your name was about our conference (Big Sky) and the Minnesota Vikings. And I think it makes sense.

I would call it like this: 10% really sincerely mean no nickname and won't use the old name 85% want no nickname so they can de facto the old one into the void 5% want no nickname because they believe they can get the old one back some day

I remember before the name and logo were retired, a good number of people on here wanted to just keep the name and logo and "live with" the sanctions because they didn't impact hockey all that much. I believe some of those are the same people that are saying the legal settlement doesn't require us to pick a new nickname, when it is clearly stated within the document that the North Dakota Attorney General signed on behalf of the SBHE and UND.

When have I ever questioned your loyalty? The only person I called out for that was that letter to the Heraldo last week who said he was pulling all support for UND. You are loyal, I am loyal and a good 95% of the posters on this forum are loyal (except for the Rodent and FU trolls). But this idea that this whole issue will go away if we just remain "North Dakota" is pure wishful thinking. And the response I get for daring to say that is "When are you changing your username?" I know others have questioned your username and that is just as wrong. All I really want is to resolve this issue and get back to the business of building a solid, across the board, Division I athletic program. Ten years of fighting this war is enough.

I suppose some of you think the NCAA Sanctions List itself is nothing more than a "scare tactic" and that it wouldn't hurt us at all if we went back to the old name and logo and voluntarily went back on the naughty list? Then please explain why all but one school (Alcorn St.) did what they had to do to get off that list? And Alcorn St. should have an asterisk since they are bad in almost every sport anyway and sanctions don't affect them all that much. Because being on the naughty list has real and tangible consequences that make it harder to recruit and retain top notch athletes. But if you simply choose to not believe that, go right on ahead.

I have no problem arguing points with people. But I think questioning people's loyalty to the institution or the teams based on this or other issues is just crossing a line that should not be crossed. And I for one won't stand for it.

I am thinking his arm is nice and fresh from not playing for the first 80 games.

If you mean the group that will support UND no matter what, yes.