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Last year (a transition year with a poor schedule) we would have ranked 59th in FCS, right behind Sam Houston State. I am not ready to say Grand Forks doesn't care about UND football. It is true that hockey (and the money it takes to attend the games) is a choice that many other cities the size of Grand Forks don't have, plus it is an expensive choice so something has to give for some people's budgets, but obviously 7-8,000 have chosen football (9,500 less 1,000 - 1,500 students) . If we move up to around 9,500 - last year that would have put us at 39th. Not making excuses just saying sometimes people have to make choices because of finances.

Just wait UND finishes in the top of the Big Sky and all we will hear is how "down" the Big Sky was this year by our friendly trolls and infactuated fans from bison-swille.

Meanwhile students at Flordia State are dressing up as native americans with war paint on their faces.

I was in the audience for the Spirit Campaign Announcement. The place was packed and it was a great mixture of current students and alumni. Now there was no raise the roof cheer at the end but it was a feel-good event. The UND fire dancer was pretty cool. Tough to compare it to a sporting event where you win it at the buzzer.

I'd much prefer the message UND sent to its student athletes then the message NDSU sent to their student athletes. Which set of student athletes do you think are more likely to stay out of trouble in the future?

This does support that UND was held to a different standard and that situations were blown way out of proportion (the sorority party that was continually brought up as an example of ongoing disrespect). One video segment I saw had Lee K throwing a native american headress across the set. Even if the Seminole Tribe approves the use of the name there must be tribes across the country that would take issue with the treatment of sacred items such as headresses and eagle feathers and students showing up in war paint and native american dress. It was easy for the NCAA to pick on a small college in a small state. Big picture is nothing was accomplished by making UND drop its nickname.

I was in the stands for every one of the games UND beat su in during the last 10 years they played and every year I had to hear the pompus su fans sharing how they were the better team, no on UND's team would see the field if they were at su and guess what when the game was played - not so much. UND - owns overall win-loss record UND - owns win-loss record for the last 10 years the two teams played UND - won the last game played between the two team for the Nickle Trophy

What you don't understand is that a message board for a specific team is exactly where you should be making off-base homer statements only su fans feels the need to monitor the site of a different school, which they claim they are no longer interested in, in order to correct every off-base homer statement they perceive is being made.

Listening to Minneapolis radio station this past week. Stories about UND are about the school working with NASA, stories about NDSU are about foodtball players de-frauding the goverment. Gosh I hope they stop mixing the two schools up.

Uh They were not busted, how difficult would it be for coaches to find out about an all team annual party? They were probably warned about doing it in advance, but college kids being what they are didn't listen and now they are suffering the consequences. Swift and specific. If the police were there, there would be a paper trail - you can't cover that up even if they were trying. They were suspended for the first regular season game that happened after the event came to light. Some bison fans obviously feel like the administration should have picked a specific game so it was against a tougher opponent? Really? Every day the su football team continues to have its reputation dragged through the mud. Now they are trying to focus the blame on the petition gathering companies? Really? They committed fraud. They did it on purpose. They took money for a job they did not do. They signed a legal document saying they did not commit fraud. They are still playing football, they were not suspended. No comparision.

My thoughts weren't about students tickets, it's the families that have to work a budget.

The biggest difference between the two venues is that UND has hockey. When a UND fan (non-student) is budgeting their entertainment dollars they have hockey, basketball and football tickets to consider with hockey being the biggest bite out the budget. If you have to choose because of finances football and basketball is going to be the odd ticket out. When an NDSU fan (non-student) is budgeting their entertainment dollars they only have two choices - football and basketball - niether of which carries the ticket price of hockey (driven by more home games and higher prices). Of course we are now in a whole new world for football and basketball with bigger named schools and bigger excitment around who is coming to town so I'm hoping my anology proves wrong. If the product is good and it's the place to be in the fall people will find the money. It's only 6 home games.

Hey guys - he's home!

Careful - the guy who lives in the Sioux Sports basement is coming home from work soon.

well of course you have to think this way to continue justify the actions of the AC administration. Bottom line is they did the right thing and held them accountable - and guess what there is no "day in court" and they still did the right thing. SU is the Chris Farley of college sports.

Well at least they weren't out getting petition signatures Are there any legal charges pending?

He Hey everyone - the strange boy who lives in our basement is home from work.

It will all work itself out in practice. The better quarterback will get the playing time, the other is the most important player on the sidelines. Isn't it great that we have two quality quarterbacks getting quality educations at UND? Seems like we were facing the same issue last year and it ended with a conference championship lead by the back-up quarterback. Nice to know we have depth in so many positions. The unanswerable question is where would Joey Bradley have fit into this equation - my opinion is he made the right decision to move on - just didn't do it in as classy a fashion as he could have.

1. They did knowingly forge signatures on official state documents. They made the decision to open phone books and other sources and copy names, addresses and phone numbers. It was not a mistake. They did it on purpose. 2. They signed an affidavide stating that they gathered signatures from people, witnessed the signing and that the signatures were legitimate. Unless they can't read they signed this statement knowing it was not true. 3. They accepted payment for gathering signatures and when they accepted the money they knew they had not done what they were being paid for. 4. When confronted by goverment officials they refused to sign a follow-up affidavide stating they gathered signatures in a proper manner. 5. They admitted they committed this fraud. One of them admitting that 100% of his actions were fraudulent. 6. As a direct result of their forgery two state-wide measures were unable to meet the crieteria for making the ballot and allowing the citizens of North Dakota to vote on these two issues. These are not only issues of law, they are issues of integrity and honesty. What of the above can be deemed untrue or dismissable because "they were not properly informed", or "the company was using a payment format that could be deemed unlawfull (still under debate)"? Regardless of these issue they still committed fraud and forgery. How is this an issue of UND fans being jealous of the NDSU football team?

Inferiority complex, often used to mean low self-esteem, is a feeling of intense insecurity. An inferiority complex can be seen in negative or "useless" reactions. These reactions only serve to guard one's self-esteem. It is often seen as comparing individuals or groups as one being superior to another, it more closely describes how one deals with a fear of failure. - team wins national championship, player says "Sioux Suck" at national championship pep rally (ever heard an Alabama player do that?) - fans cheer "Sioux Suck" at national champions pep rally (See above) - fans cheer "Sioux Suck" at games not involving UND (never happened at UND) - fans frequent UND chat rooms and continually try to point out how NDSU is better than UND (yawn...) - fans frequent other teams chat rooms with intent to put down UND (it ain't just Lakes) - fans constantly compare their school to UND, looking for any little statistic that will make their school look superior to UND (see annual attendance threads) - fans can't wait to comment on perceived UND shortfallings (watch thise week and be amazed) - school has a president that morgages the university's future and its integrity in an effort to build attendance, again because of comparisons to UND (then leaves for Colorado) - fans feel the need to discount UND's hockey team accomplishments (perpetual) - fans feel the need to revise history in an attempt to show superiority (It was UND that ended the rivalry, you folllowed us...)

Well as usual the trolls have turned this into a pissing match. Look what's been keeping the NDSU president busy http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/ndsu-coach-bohl-says-companies-involved-in-fraudulent-petitions-are-targeted/. Isn't it nice that the football team has dropped this turd into his lap so he has to spend his time responding to indignent North Dakota citiziens.

Back at you with NDSU's perpetual sense of inferiority. As supported by your need and several others to be here. Thanks for coming to a UND Board and sharing your opinions. Must be tough not to have a place of your own to talk about a team you support.

It's already been stated this thread should be titled: Petition Fraud in ND. But Okay based on your comparison - UND hockey mills out millionaire hockey players that often return for their degrees and fund scholarships for the school, SU football mills out college drop-outs that take $9 an hour jobs defrauding the citizens of North Dakota and bringing humiliation to SU? Guess I'm not seeing where the jealousy would come in?

I think we have recruited the talent like they have, we just finished our transition and look at the higher level of talent we are already putting on the field. Bottom line during transition it really doesn't matter what your record is you aren't going anywhere at the end of the season (of course if your ego demands it you can claim a ficticous title and hand out ficticious rings). If we stop allowing others to compare one teams transition to anothers we had a very good transition record. Every day it becomes more apparant we don't want to be compared to "that" team for many reasons.

UND Hockey develops players for the NHL and other professional hockey leagues, What league does su football develop players for? Oh I know the penal league (pun intended)