DamStrait

Call it what you want, the official books say the were about $150,000 in the black last year (after UND getting about $450,000 out of them).

So now you go from "millstone around the neck" to "APPEARING not to be a money tree"?? Would you care to change your argument (again)?

WHICH WAS MY POINT!!!!! (Are you listening IowaBison? i.e. NOT millstones around one's neck!!! Get it now?God, I hope so.)

It was your example, not mine. If you say now that it was a poor one, I'm not disagreeing with you.

Spin-spin-spin. The Ralph did not lose money last year. The Ralph and the Alerus are not "millstones around UND's neck". Be a man (just once, just to see what it feels like), take your medicine, and admit you are wrong.

I'm not sure why you chose to not let this die, but... From your source cited above: The Ralph had an operating income of -$5,964,909, $5,657,731of which was depreciation (I would guess this is a 20 year straight-line ammortization). Once you take depreciation out, you have an operating income of -$307,178. The Ralph also had a nonoperating revenue of $472,939. This means the Ralph had an income, not including depreciation, of $165,761 while paying UND over $450,000. I'm no accountant and maybe I need your apparently superior intellect to explain it to me, but honestly: What's the problem? And in your little example above, SISCO still received $130,000,000 from IBM. They could care less whether IBM made money that year. In your example UND is SISCO.

Actually, according to this report: http://www.UND.nodak.edu/dept/vpfo/Documen...ncialReport.pdf UND received over $450,000 from the Ralph in FY 2005. Heavens, to have such a millistone around one's neck! I am not sure from where you are getting this REA "loss". My search could find only the info above. And just because the Alerus lost money does not mean it lost money hosting UND football. And just because FargoDome made money doesn't necessarily mean that it made money hosting 'SU football (I suspect it was a money maker). This is what will have a more direct bearing on the contracts between these institutions and their respective venues. I know you have a pathological need to get in the last word no matter how wrong you are, but please resist it in this case. You made a foolish statement and got called on it. Let it rest. It's almost as bad as someone disagreeing with "The whole Potts/NDUS affair at best paints Chapman in an unfavorable light".

REA and Alerus are not owned by UND and FargoDome is not owned by 'SU. Their profits or losses have nothing to do with either institution's finances, which was my point. Besides, anybody that truly believes REA lost money last year by means other than creative accounting is out of touch with reality. Take my advice, drop the Kool-Aid cup.

IowaBison, you need to quit drinking the Bisonville Kool-Aid and let your head clear. Maybe then you can remove that FargoDome millstone from around 'SU's neck. While I'm at it, PAY ATTENTION NOW, I'd like to remind all of you, DAMN IT I SAID PAY ATTENTION, it's the University of North Dakota (not the University of Grand Forks) and North Dakota State University (not Fargo State University).

And it's the University of North Dakota, not Grand Forks State University.

Hey...I heard...neither of you...would know $hit...if you stepped in it...

I agree. Why waste all that money on a new facility when they could have just as easily played their games at Pizza Hut?

And in my view yours is nothing more than anti-UND propaganda. Contrary to your rants, hockey at UND brings money into the athletic department and pays for other non-revenue sports. That being the case, if the 'SUs are able to make the move, any reasonable person would expect that UND can too. You are unreasonable in your demands from UND fans on this site to answer questions they cannot possibly be expected to answer. If you are really curious, find them for yourself and then share your findings with the rest of us. I suggest you start with AD Tom Buning and President Kupchella. Until then you have nothing new to add. You should be very grateful that Jim is as patient as he is, letting you make your "points" ad nauseum. Were it up to me, your posterior would be gone.

If that's all they have covering their prodigious a$$, I'm not too worried.

#3 overall in the 2006 NHL draft and #1 in our hearts. Good for you. It goes without saying that I'd love to see back in a Sioux sweater for another year (or three), but if not, thanks for becoming a Sioux for at least one season. I think that if you come back you'll help win #8 for UND and be the next Hobey Baker Memorial Award winner. Again, a well deserved congratulations.

How about toning down the insulting tone? Your points will actually be much more effective if you do.

It was part of the discussion at the time of the 4 year contract talks.

Yes, but in UND's case the point was made BECAUSE FSU has received an exemption. I find W&M's effort to drag UND into their response rather mealy-mouthed as UND has received no such exemption.

*sigh* I really didn't want to get involved, but this is getting ridiculous. The only UND-'SU game that really mattered was the football game. UND did not want to play shortly after 'SU left the NCC because of playoff implications (the same implications that kept 'SU out of the DII playoffs the year before because they played a DIAA team - Montana - and beat them by the way - instead of playing an in-region DII team). Even so, UND (and RT) were willing to play 'SU - if 'SU would come up to GF to play the game. 'SU didn't like that because they had played in GF the year before, so decided to pass. If there were no negative playoff consequences for other sports playing 'SU there may indeed be a case for stating that UND was taking punitive measures, but the case cannot be made for football. Also, UND has not played ANY DIAA football team in the interim. The rules have since changed for DII teams playing DIAA teams, and as a result UND has again offered to play 'SU in football. 'SU has declined. UND will play UNI next season instead. You may now resume urinating upon one another.

Yo, king of bombast - those stats are great, but anyone that can't beat out smellin' Kellen for starting goaltender is, by definition, a sieve.

Blah blah blah blah Isn't time for you to go on vacation without internet access again? Or how about hating UND in silence. CK is peeved because UND prepared a very detailed second appeal and it was largely ignored (NCAA pretty much came out and said so), and the NCAA has said that ALL appeals have been exhausted. Add to it that the NCAA has had absolutely no continuity of thought since they announced this policy and CK and every one that has been paying attention realizes that henceforth there is no point whatever in "good will".

And this is different from you speaking for a conference you don't speak for in what way?

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!

I think the Oilers are lucky to have #44.

I would really love to see the exact questions posed in the poll and the context in which they were delivered. Then I would love to see the exact breakdown on responses to each question. I think that the Social Science Research Institute at UND may have an ulterior motive.