[Goon]

ScottM, on Aug 22 2005, 10:27 AM, said:

Perhaps Izenberg needs to be enlightened on the $1M settlement SCCC reached with certain victims of systemic racism and anti-semitism on his buddy's Saigo's watch, as well as the *real* federal investigation, not some pansy-ass, do nothing commission like was on UND's campus. 

Do you think these whiny, left-wing losers send each other their columns so they can cut 'n paste the same recycled crap?  It's like a circuit of post-60s bilge that even Al Franken wouldn't touch.  Nicky Coleman should sue Nicky Izenberg for copyright infringement and unlawful recycling of old news. 
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Maybe we should inform Izenberg who bad of a college SCCC is? They are a second rate WCHA program and if I am not mistaken they aren't rated real well when it comes to academics. Nor are they a very good college athletically either.
I remember when my buddy was an RA at SCCC back in the early 1990's at one of the residence hall and their campus was ripe with racial problems. I can't imagine it has changed that much.

[elmduf]

PCM, on Aug 20 2005, 05:08 PM, said:

From the Miami Herald 8/20/2005:
NCAA waffles; FSU might get to remain the Seminoles

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Haggard said that FSU wants to appeal as an individual university and not be lumped together with other schools that use nicknames such as Savages, Warriors, Indians or Braves.

Note the use of the word "waffles" in response to the NCAA's latest action. As expected, FSU is looking out for its own interests and nobody else's.

The good news? FSU has opened the door to exemptions. UND needs to emphasize its number of American Indian students, the programs for them and the results they produce. A new resolution from the Spirit Lake Sioux strongly endorsing UND's use of the Fighting Sioux name wouldn't hurt, either.
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Hopefully the Spirit Lake Tribe will help out.

PCM, is there anything we can do to encourage them to produce a supporting resolution?

[PCM]

elmduf, on Aug 22 2005, 11:50 AM, said:

Hopefully the Spirit Lake Tribe will help out. 

PCM, is there anything we can do to encourage them to produce a supporting resolution?
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I think pressuring or even encouraging the Spirit Lake tribe to pass a resolution supporting UND would be a mistake at this point.

[elmduf]

PCM, on Aug 22 2005, 01:26 PM, said:

elmduf, on Aug 22 2005, 11:50 AM, said:

Hopefully the Spirit Lake Tribe will help out. 

PCM, is there anything we can do to encourage them to produce a supporting resolution?
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I think pressuring or even encouraging the Spirit Lake tribe to pass a resolution supporting UND would be a mistake at this point.
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Okay. I'll refrain from emailing those folks. Thanks!

[ScottM]

PCM, on Aug 22 2005, 12:26 PM, said:

I think pressuring or even encouraging the Spirit Lake tribe to pass a resolution supporting UND would be a mistake at this point.
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I agree. I think the President of the Spirit Lake Band quoted in other articles doesn't see the "hub-bub" about the name/logo, so it probably doesn't create too much of an issue at this point.

[Goon]

ScottM, on Aug 22 2005, 04:22 PM, said:

PCM, on Aug 22 2005, 12:26 PM, said:

I think pressuring or even encouraging the Spirit Lake tribe to pass a resolution supporting UND would be a mistake at this point.
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I agree. I think the President of the Spirit Lake Band quoted in other articles doesn't see the "hub-bub" about the name/logo, so it probably doesn't create too much of an issue at this point.
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That would actually be good news. I suppose UND would want to go easy in prosuing a resolution on this issue.

[YaneA]

http://starbulletin....rts/story1.html

Newspaper article from 5 years ago about the University of Hawaii's name and logo change. UH went from being the Rainbows to the Warriors for men's teams. Interesting read from the you can't please 'em all department. BTW, UH's use of the name Warriors and their native Hawaiian-themed logo deemed not hostile and abusive by NCAA but, as article shows, not everyone is so forgiving.

[southpaw]

From the wire:

American Indian activist Vernon Bellecourt says it would be wrong-headed for the N-C-A-A to consider allowing schools to use Indian nicknames, even if tribes
give their OK.
Bellecourt also says the issue should go beyond Indian nicknames to include other monikers -- like Notre Dame's Fighting Irish.
He says he's heard from people of Irish ancestry who are opposed to the nickname use. He says they think they're being portrayed as drunks or leprechauns.

[CoteauRinkRat]

Mory00, on Aug 23 2005, 12:49 PM, said:

From the wire:

American Indian activist Vernon Bellecourt says it would be wrong-headed for the N-C-A-A to consider allowing schools to use Indian nicknames, even if tribes
give their OK.
  Bellecourt also says the issue should go beyond Indian nicknames to include other monikers -- like Notre Dame's Fighting Irish.
  He says he's heard from people of Irish ancestry who are opposed to the nickname use. He says they think they're being portrayed as drunks or leprechauns.
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Bellecourt himself used racist and inflammatory language yesterday when conducting an interview with KNOX radio in Grand Forks.

He basically called Native Americans who support the name as having a "hang around the plantation negro mentality" wow

[PCM]

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American Indian activist Vernon Bellecourt says it would be wrong-headed for the N-C-A-A to consider allowing schools to use Indian nicknames, even if tribes give their OK.

No surprise there at all.

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Bellecourt also says the issue should go beyond Indian nicknames to include other monikers -- like Notre Dame's Fighting Irish.

He says he's heard from people of Irish ancestry who are opposed to the nickname use. He says they think they're being portrayed as drunks or leprechauns.

Looks like Vern got my e-mail.

[JESUS,family,rutgers]

Sad to admit that Jerry Izenberg is a Rutgers grad. I was surprised by the article since he is usually not a big fan of the NCAA. If the politically correct thought police have their way, I think the next group of colleges attacked will be those with religious nicknames such as the Holy Cross Crusaders, Siena Saints, etc.

GO FIGHTING SIOUX! GO SCARLET KNIGHTS!

[Eskimos]

CoteauRinkRat, on Aug 23 2005, 11:58 AM, said:

Mory00, on Aug 23 2005, 12:49 PM, said:

From the wire:

American Indian activist Vernon Bellecourt says it would be wrong-headed for the N-C-A-A to consider allowing schools to use Indian nicknames, even if tribes
give their OK.
   Bellecourt also says the issue should go beyond Indian nicknames to include other monikers -- like Notre Dame's Fighting Irish.
   He says he's heard from people of Irish ancestry who are opposed to the nickname use. He says they think they're being portrayed as drunks or leprechauns.
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Bellecourt himself used racist and inflammatory language yesterday when conducting an interview with KNOX radio in Grand Forks.

He basically called Native Americans who support the name as having a "hang around the plantation negro mentality" wow
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I heard that quote and just about drove off the road. It is nothing new for that guy to use such language. He is a racist himself, but where is the outrage?

[YaneA]

Advocating a scorched earth policy, out go Britons, Celtics (and Celts), Dutch and Dutchmen (Flying or otherwise), Gaels, Highlanders & Tartans, Hoosiers, Quakers (Hustlin' and otherwise), Fighting Irish, Ragin' Cajuns, Saxons, Scots (and Scotties), Sooners, Spartans, Swedes, Texans, Trojans, Vandals and Vikings. I'm sure there are some other hostile and offensive names I forgot.

[PCM]

YaneA, on Aug 23 2005, 12:08 PM, said:

I'm sure there are some other hostile and offensive names I forgot.
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Bannana Slugs?

[star2city]

Perhaps the most salient points I've yet seen on the nickname issue are in the attached article: the opposers of Indian nicknames rely largely on emotional appeals to confirm their ill-formed logic. No one dares question the emotional health or idiosyncrasies of those claiming "abuse", as those questioning get cast as insensitive, abusive, and unenlightened. On the pro-nickname side, no existing political groups will expend the political energy to counter the emotional arguments.

The Diversity Bowl: No admittance to the abusively named.

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The Chronicle of Higher Education likewise noted the challenges that face the University of North Dakota that has its "Fighting Sioux" logo carved in rock at its $100 million Ralph Engelstad Arena. Loyalty to team names and mascots may have been the last redoubt of emotional resistance to the tyranny of multicultural sensitivity on college campuses.

You can find a handful of intellectual resistors to the incoherent claims of diversiphiles on almost any campus, but they have little clout.  The Left has won this battle over multiculturalism in the curriculum, faculty hiring, race-themed dorms, and all the rest not because it won the arguments, but largely because it sold a more compelling emotional story.

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College-sports nicknames and mascots were a natural target for the purveyors of a politics of racial resentment, and indeed many colleges gave up the fight long ago. Some of the holdouts, like the University of Illinois with its Chief Illiniwek, held out mostly because of the bluff indifference of alumni to the accusations that rained down on them. Few college presidents have that much spine.

So when the NCAA formed a commission four years ago to "study" the matter, the conclusion was pretty much foreordained. The NCAA commission was not about to question the good faith or the motives of Native Americans who claimed to be offended by such symbols or many others who regard Indian logos as inherently demeaning. Sure enough when NCAA's "Vice President for Diversity and Inclusion," Charlotte Westerhaus, described the policy, she said the organization was acting against names that are "hostile and abusive."

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In the broader culture wars, the fight over Indian nicknames is a loser for conservatives. The Alcorn State University Braves, the Central Michigan University Chippewas, the Mississippi College Choctaws, and the University of Utah Utes will have to go it alone. I don't believe for a second that these names were adopted with malice; that they are hostile; or that anyone is "abused" by them. They do, however, have the capacity to irritate people, and it is hard to be on the side of chaffing when no really compelling principle favors it. A spontaneous show of affection for the team names and mascots by a large number of fans just might deflate people like Charlotte Westerhaus and John Ridley, and just maybe FSU alumni will pull it off. But even if they do, a stale conformity will still settle over this aspect of college sports — and America will be just a little bit poorer for the loss of historical reference and cultural exuberance.

[Sioux-cia]

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Bellecourt himself used racist and inflammatory language yesterday when conducting an interview with KNOX radio in Grand Forks. 

He basically called Native Americans who support the name as having a "hang around the plantation negro mentality

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Wow, slap two racial groups in the face with one racist spurred epithet!! Is this the type of drivel the NC$$ is responding too?!

[Goon]

Sioux-cia, on Aug 23 2005, 01:30 PM, said:

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Bellecourt himself used racist and inflammatory language yesterday when conducting an interview with KNOX radio in Grand Forks. 

He basically called Native Americans who support the name as having a "hang around the plantation negro mentality

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Wow, slap two racial groups in the face with one racist spurred epithet!! Is this the type of drivel the NC$$ is responding too?!
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Nothing will ever happen to Clyde, the fact that he is disrespecting native that like the name only make him more interesting and polarizing. Infact Russell Means when he was here at the ralph, before it was opened, while he was here spewing his hate speech, said that Indians that support the name were basically stupid. Or something along that line.

[ScottM]

"Negro"?

The Bellecourt brothers, and Russell Means, are really nothing more than carpet-bagging opportunists who whore themselves out to the media on demand. They get trotted out by their white, liberal "friends" whenever the name issue comes up, or there is a perception that people are not sufficiently "respectful" of Indians, and they need "true representatives" of "Native Americans". I think the only thing missing is a bra to hold some dollar bills.

[MafiaMan]

Goon, on Aug 23 2005, 01:50 PM, said:

Sioux-cia, on Aug 23 2005, 01:30 PM, said:

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Bellecourt himself used racist and inflammatory language yesterday when conducting an interview with KNOX radio in Grand Forks. 

He basically called Native Americans who support the name as having a "hang around the plantation negro mentality

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Wow, slap two racial groups in the face with one racist spurred epithet!! Is this the type of drivel the NC$$ is responding too?!
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Nothing will ever happen to Clyde, the fact that he is disrespecting native that like the name only make him more interesting and polarizing. Infact Russell Means when he was here at the ralph, before it was opened, while he was here spewing his hate speech, said that Indians that support the name were basically stupid. Or something along that line.
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Typical, though. While chatting with a liberal friend of mine regarding minority men and women in leadership positions in this country, I brought up the names Clarence Thomas, Condoleeza Rice, and Colin Powell, to which she replied "Uncle Toms." Apparently, if you're any other race besides white, it's your duty to be a Democrat.

[crosby_87]

I'm sure this has already been posted, but some terriffic writing by PCM here http://www.uscho.com...8/22_010692.php very good reading, and i would love to see the look on the face of an NCAA committee member as he is reading it:D