HockeyMom Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Is there any way Toews can come back to Grand Forks and avoid drinking? It's not going to be any different in Chicago. The temptation is going to be just as great, probably even greater. He just needs to think about what's more important, the hockey or the drinking. I would think that both he and TJ would be very careful in the next year, it might just be easier if they are together in Forks, working on getting through their sentences together. Or maybe I'm being selfish....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxJuggernaut Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 my bet is they'll still be drinking. just trying a little harder not to be caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxnami Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Is there any way Toews can come back to Grand Forks and avoid drinking? Could you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux_Yeah_Yeah Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 The Herald on-line blames the court for its errors: "Correction: An earlier version of this story, based on court documents, reported that Jonathan Toews would spend 10 days in jail. After subsequent interviews with prosecutors, the Herald learned Toews' sentence was suspended, so he will not serve the jail time." The Forum's on-line version still has not been corrected. Well of course the Herald's not going to take the blame..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proudsioux Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Could you? u think i could? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 The Herald is lying. Susanne Nadeau doesn't know how to read a court document. She made the mistake. They are in full spin-control right now as they try to cover their ass regarding a slam-dunk libel case. I'm no lawyer, but I seriously doubt that there's any way Toews could win a libel suit without proving that the Herald knowingly and maliciously published false information about him. It could also be argued that Toews is a public figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxguyinstpaul Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 I'm no lawyer, but I seriously doubt that there's any way Toews could win a libel suit without proving that the Herald knowingly and maliciously published false information about him. It could also be argued that Toews is a public figure. there also has to some kind of measurable "damages" beings that this was apparently and honest mistake and was retracted in a matter of a couple of hours - I don't think that would be possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 And as they say. You don't go to battle with someone who buys ink by the 55 gallon Drum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxnami Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 The Herald on-line blames the court for its errors: "Correction: An earlier version of this story, based on court documents, reported that Jonathan Toews would spend 10 days in jail. After subsequent interviews with prosecutors, the Herald learned Toews' sentence was suspended, so he will not serve the jail time." The Forum's on-line version still has not been corrected. I'm calling BS. Somebody should do a "Freedom of Information Act" request to see the "incorrect" court documents. I suspect we would learn they never existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSIOUX Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 what a hak job of reporting, wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Somebody should do a "Freedom of Information Act" request to see the "incorrect" court documents. I suspect we would learn they never existed. Nobody needs to do that. The court records are open under North Dakota law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndahl Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 I'm no lawyer, but I seriously doubt that there's any way Toews could win a libel suit without proving that the Herald knowingly and maliciously published false information about him. It could also be argued that Toews is a public figure. You don't necessarily need "real" malicious intent for libel. If the reporter knew the information was false, or published the information with reckless disregard for the truth despite not having actual knowledge it was false, she can be guilty of libel. Standards vary, and although I am a lawyer (and played one on TV once), this shouldn't be taken as legal advice. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Ok, ten days is considered excessive. Suspended ten days is ok. No probation, just stay clean for a year. Is a one year probation for T.J. standard for a minor on the premises/misdemeanor? Unsupervised or not, it's still probation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforeverbaby Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Ok, ten days is considered excessive. Suspended ten days is ok. No probation, just stay clean for a year. Is a one year probation for T.J. standard for a minor on the premises/misdemeanor? Unsupervised or not, it's still probation. quick question, a friend and I were talking and wondering if Toews can be deported for his two minors or are we way off? anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 quick question, a friend and I were talking and wondering if Toews can be deported for his two minors or are we way off? anyone know? No, misdemeanors will not get Toews deported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSIOUX Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 quick question, a friend and I were talking and wondering if Toews can be deported for his two minors or are we way off? anyone know? dont think so, pretty minor stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxx24jml Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Is there any way Toews can come back to Grand Forks and avoid drinking? No. Lived here nigh on 50 years and I have been thirsty every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 You don't necessarily need "real" malicious intent for libel. If the reporter knew the information was false, or published the information with reckless disregard for the truth despite not having actual knowledge it was false, she can be guilty of libel. Standards vary, and although I am a lawyer (and played one on TV once), this shouldn't be taken as legal advice. John So you are leaving open the old "I am Stupid" defense for the reporter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proudsioux Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 So what if i ran to the booze store twice today? at least my typing is still good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprig Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 From the EJ signing/whining story, Rink Rats! Expect Kyle Okposo to leave the University of Minnesota and sign with the New York Islanders. Erik Johnson, Jonathan Toews, and Jack Johnson will work out together in southern California this summer with in a program set up Pat Brisson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Whistler Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 No. Lived here nigh on 50 years and I have been thirsty every day. You can quit. The first week is rather tough, but after that it becomes real easy. Takes a lot of willpower. People that have had the most luck kicking the habit generally go to the Sahara Desert Camp or a place like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABER Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 JT is on the front page of NHL.com. Nice short read on him in the article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted April 21, 2007 Author Share Posted April 21, 2007 JT is on the front page of NHL.com. Nice short read on him in the article. Toews Article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrkac Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Toews Article lots of WCHA players listed for the Central division. (7) weird to see Curtis Glencross listed as he's been in the minors for four years. I just remember him with AAU because he wore #82 and he was a speedster. Why is it that AAU always has guys wear unusual numbers for a college team? I guess Wigge thinks Toews is a lock to sign with Chicago just like every other so-called expert. i did get some very inside info this week that JT is "seriously leaning at staying." although, i still can't believe that will be the case. JT's addition to the pre-competition camp will probably give him a good idea if he's ready to move on to the next level. imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 lots of WCHA players listed for the Central division. (7) weird to see Curtis Glencross listed as he's been in the minors for four years. I just remember him with AAU because he wore #82 and he was a speedster. Why is it that AAU always has guys wear unusual numbers for a college team? I guess Wigge thinks Toews is a lock to sign with Chicago just like every other so-called expert. i did get some very inside info this week that JT is "seriously leaning at staying." although, i still can't believe that will be the case. JT's addition to the pre-competition camp will probably give him a good idea if he's ready to move on to the next level. imo thats not that hard to believe, he just turned 19. it also would not hurt him to develop another year. Basically there are a lot of good reasons for leaving and going. that would be so awesome if he stayed though...i guess it depends on how "serious" he is and how inside the source is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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