jimdahl Posted July 9, 2006 Author Share Posted July 9, 2006 Discussion / criticism of why I made this thread here. I'll do my best to participate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 I stated, "I believe that hockey is a detriment to UND in their move to DI." There is a difference. So by that twisted logic, football at NDSU is a detriment to their MidContinent move. The University of Florida is never going to be anything but a football school. In basketball, they've been a basket case - always have been, always will be. (heard this from a Florida fan years ago). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 There are limited sports entertainment and scholarship dollars in any market. And based on comments out of Grand Forks it appears those dollars are reaching a plateau. So where's your research? BTW, an indoor football league disagress with your half-assessment. This research says Grand Forks (excluding Sioux fan support in Fargo as well as the rest of North Dakota and Minnesota) is just as capable to support a DI school as the markets that support DIA Arkansas State, DIA Louisiana-Monroe, and Montana. Arkansas State and Louisiana-Monroe have very little state-wide support whereas UND does . So your idle speculation and hearsay fail due to lack of facts. How cities rate for sports expansion If UND didn't have hockey, which makes up about half of its athletic department's budget, with the same amount of funds they'd likely be able to afford the move.UND hockey gets a good fraction of its ticket and suite sales from Fargo, including Bison fans. If UND hockey hurts any school's athletic budget, its actually NDSU's, as UND hockey takes a large fraction of the Fargo-Moorhead entertainment dollars, while NDSU's penetration of the Grand Forks market is practically nill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aff Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 This argus article states a few schools budgets and UND's budget without hockey for 04-05. Argus Leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 This argus article states a few schools budgets and UND's budget without hockey for 04-05. Argus Leader The Argus shows UND athletic expenses at $4,700,873 without hockey. Using the figures from OPE for total athletic expenses of $9,958,728, would mean that the expenses for hockey are $5,257,855. I admit that I don't know the inner workings of UND's athletic budget, but does it sound right to anybody that the hockey expenses are a half million dollars higher than the expenses for everything else? Aff, I'm not shooting the messenger here, just trying to get answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaBison Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 So by that twisted logic, football at NDSU is a detriment to their MidContinent move. Make that move to DI and I'd agree to some degree. Exception 1: There is still room for growth in Fargo-Moorhead with respect to fans and corporate sponsorships. Exception 2: Football is the college 'glory sport'. The Mid-Con Commish has stated that they have special interest in members that sponsor football!?! Doesn't make too much sense as the conference doesn't sponsor the sport, but that's their perogative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 So where's your research? BTW, an indoor football league disagress with your half-assessment. This research says Grand Forks (excluding Sioux fan support in Fargo as well as the rest of North Dakota and Minnesota) is just as capable to support a DI school as the markets that support DIA Arkansas State, DIA Louisiana-Monroe, and Montana. Arkansas State and Louisiana-Monroe have very little state-wide support whereas UND does . So your idle speculation and hearsay fail due to lack of facts. How cities rate for sports expansion UND hockey gets a good fraction of its ticket and suite sales from Fargo, including Bison fans. If UND hockey hurts any school's athletic budget, its actually NDSU's, as UND hockey takes a large fraction of the Fargo-Moorhead entertainment dollars, while NDSU's penetration of the Grand Forks market is practically nill. That's gf greatest weakness. It's a college town, will always be a college town and is inbred with only one thought and opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaBison Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 So where's your research? BTW, an indoor football league disagress with your half-assessment. This research says Grand Forks (excluding Sioux fan support in Fargo as well as the rest of North Dakota and Minnesota) is just as capable to support a DI school as the markets that support DIA Arkansas State, DIA Louisiana-Monroe, and Montana. Arkansas State and Louisiana-Monroe have very little state-wide support whereas UND does . So your idle speculation and hearsay fail due to lack of facts. How cities rate for sports expansion practically nill. So UND is going to add a pro-franchise? That's what the link you provide refers too. My opinion is based on the comments of UND's athletic department, but you're right, what do they know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdog42 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Thanks, your explanation of the distribution of scholarships on the women's side is helpful. I had not previously heard that 22 scholarships had been added on the women's side. good explanation of the womens ships but are you telling me they didn't add any ships to mens bb, mens golf, mens track and field.....just wondering but I think they did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 The Argus shows UND athletic expenses at $4,700,873 without hockey. Using the figures from OPE for total athletic expenses of $9,958,728, would mean that the expenses for hockey are $5,257,855. I admit that I don't know the inner workings of UND's athletic budget, but does it sound right to anybody that the hockey expenses are a half million dollars higher than the expenses for everything else? The Argus does match UND's DI Report. The OPE has a different accounting mechanism on their form than most schools use. Based on UND's report hockey (M/W) expenses were $3,917,735 (and revenues were $4,432,811). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Exception 1: There is still room for growth in Fargo-Moorhead with respect to fans and corporate sponsorships. Based on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Given that this is less than a month after announcement, specific answers are not yet available. UND plans to do this as a marathon, not a sprint. Patience. But, since it is the burning question, let's get the answers from the man who would never move UND to DI. "We will use this coming year, 2006-07, to develop a business plan and to begin building a financial foundation to support the move - both necessary to enhance the support base among all UND stakeholders, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaBison Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 good explanation of the womens ships but are you telling me they didn't add any ships to mens bb, mens golf, mens track and field.....just wondering but I think they did Thanks, Bigdog. +3 for mens' bb. none extra for track, I don't think the Bison added one for men's golf yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaBison Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Based on? Based on the growing market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaBison Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Given that this is less than a month after announcement, specific answers are not yet available. UND plans to do this as a marathon, not a sprint. Patience. I agree. And there is a lot information that the public isn't/won't be privy to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southpaw Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Based on the growing market. and the fact that the bison in fargo are not nearly as popular as the sioux in grand forks. there's a lot of people who generally "dont care" about ndsu. grand forks is a town that rallies around UND's sports... fargo is just a town with a college that some people support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaBison Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Besided the "don't cares" NDSU quietly has to deal with not being the only game in town (F-M). Concordia is a very quiet giant in the F-M area (many powerful supporters and alumni) and MSU-Moorhead, well, at least they try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 and the fact that the bison in fargo are not nearly as popular as the sioux in grand forks. there's a lot of people who generally "dont care" about ndsu. grand forks is a town that rallies around UND's sports... fargo is just a town with a college that some people support. Yes isn't it nice to have a choice. There's no diversity in gf and that's why it's stagnate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGSIOUX Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Yes isn't it nice to have a choice. There's no diversity in gf and that's why it's stagnate. Wow, i wish i had as much spare time as you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 There's no diversity in gf .... Pot calling Kettle, Pot calling Kettle, over. http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/QTTab...=&-_lang=en Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Back to budgets, the point of this thread I guess: How do the varioius schools (in question here) account for construction, and interest, and debt payments, on various athletic facilities? Do the schools all account the same way? Do some account for payments on athletic facilities in the athletic budget and others in the "general facilities" budget of the school? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Pot calling Kettle, Pot calling Kettle, over. I think Dan was referring to the fact that Fargo has a Hooters and Grand Forks doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaBison Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Pot calling Kettle, Pot calling Kettle, over. http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/QTTab...=&-_lang=en Why must everything be about race to you, Sicatoka? There are types of diversity other than racial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaBison Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 I think Dan was referring to the fact that Fargo has a Hooters and Grand Forks doesn't. Actually I think he was talking about the music scence. We got both types ya know, Country and Western. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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