Csonked Out Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 It's funny how people only blame the goalie for that loss, its even more naive and stupid that someone has a bad game and all of a sudden he doesn't have to game for the NHL. If I remember correctly the defense had one of the worst games of the season, but some how that goes unnoticed. Looking at parise numbers wise his GAA of 2.20 was only .02 higher than goehrings best year of 2.18, while parise had seasons of 2.09 and 2.13, adavntage parise. Winning % Goehring's best was a.724 and worst was .679, parises were a high of .738, and a low of .685, once again slight advantage to parise. Goehring went to two straight national championship games and went 1-1, parise went to two straight final fours losing in the semifinals and in the championship game, advantage Goehring but only slightly. I say only slighty because anyone who remember those teams Goehring played on remembers that they were much more dominant and better overall than the teams Parise played for, in parise championship runner up year, it was a senior led team that didn't have a lot of overall talent, followed by a team full of inexperienced freshman. There were no panzers or roche's. I for one feel Parise's accompolishments were even more impressive after looking at that, the goalie shouldn't get all the credit for a championship, and he shouldn't also get all the blame for a loss. The problem i sense here is that Lammy is a local boy, and their is a lot of resentment that he isn't the number one goalie on the team. Even if Parise gets signed it will be awhile before he plays. Heck look at ryan miller in buffalo, he was the Hobey Baker winner that beat out panzer, and it took him almost 4-5 years to be the number one goalie. It takes longer for goalies to adjust to the pro game usually, but in about 5 years, Parise will be in the mix, because he has the size and the technical aspects of the position down pat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 The problem i sense here is that Lammy is a local boy, and their is a lot of resentment that he isn't the number one goalie on the team. What?? The only mention of Philippe in this thread has been to hope he's ready to step up to the plate. I believe it was you who posted that you hope he will become more consistent. Can you point to any posts that support your statement that there is 'a lot of resentment that he isn't the number one goalie on the team'? As fans, we all know that the best goalie was in net this past season. Philippe has the potential and the talent to be number one this coming season. If another one of our goalies proves himself to be better during practice and in the opinion of the coaches, the best goalie will be in net. If Jordan leaves us, good luck and God speed. I would love to see him stay his senior year but he shouldn't listen to me, I'm just a selfish ol' bag! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Goehring is one of my favorite Sioux players, but you have to give Parise his due. The high-scoring teams Karl played on won three WCHA championships. In 2000, the Sioux finished second in the WCHA and won a national championship. In 2004, the year the Sioux probably should have won a national championship with Parise in goal, they lost 1-0 to Denver at the West Regionals. Was that Jordan's fault? No. The past two seasons, UND finished fourth and fifth in the WCHA. Parise was a big part of the Sioux making it to the Frozen Four both years. Even if Jordan leaves after this season, his name will be at the top of the Sioux goalie career record stats for years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux7>5 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Goehring is one of my favorite Sioux players, but you have to give Parise his due. The high-scoring teams Karl played on won three WCHA championships. In 2000, the Sioux finished second in the WCHA and won a national championship. In 2004, the year the Sioux probably should have won a national championship with Parise in goal, they lost 1-0 to Denver at the West Regionals. Was that Jordan's fault? No. The past two seasons, UND finished fourth and fifth in the WCHA. Parise was a big part of the Sioux making it to the Frozen Four both years. Even if Jordan leaves after this season, his name will be at the top of the Sioux goalie career record stats for years to come. I have a question, when do players have to make a decision by? When do the Sioux start training for their season? I am just not sure how many more loses this team can have and still have a quality season next year, I was hoping to go to St. Louis and cheer for the Sioux again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csonked Out Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I mentioned the resentment for a few reasons. I have heard many people over the past couple years say that Lammy stood on his head in highschool, he is better technically and that parise doesn't have what it takes for some reason. It just seems to me that people think Lammy is better than parise because they know him better, because they grew up with him, and have seen his potential throughout the years, almost as if he should be the starter because of the local sentiment. i have even often asked these people why Lammy should start all the time, when Parise is playing the way he is. The answer is the same every time followed by a question they ask me "He lets in weak goals but he always wins because the team scores more for him, why dont they score like that for Lammy?" Well if ya think about that question a bit, the answer about why Parise plays more is apparent. If a goalie is putting up better numbers, and the team plays better for him, why switch? Maybe the conclusion I came to was wrong, but it seems that put are letting local sentiment get in the way of supporting a great goalie that we will be missing next year. I could be wrong, but in 2 years I have yet to year any other logical reason. As for an example of this on the thread I dont have the time to dig through posts and look, but I have gone to this university for 4 years, and know a lot of students our age who feel that way, and its always made me wonder why. Whether any posters on this message bored feel the same way or not, I dont know, but from hearing it first hand, this was the explanation I have come up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I agree with fightingbooya. I really do think the locals need a "local hero" on the team. They chose Lammy by what he did in high school plus the accolades he recieved while in the USHL. I am not one to slight Phil, but I have no such allegence to local talent. I think that the players that should be put on the ice to play the games should be the ones that the coaches feel gives the team the best chance to win, whether those players hail from ND, MN, or Eastern Swaziland. Oh, don't get me wrong, I do enjoy seeing "Grand Forks, ND" in the hometown box of the roster card, but I don't believe it is THAT important. It's all about the talent that you bring in and it has NOTHING to do with where you are from. So, unfortunately for Phil fans, if asked which goaltender in retrospect would I have put in for the playoffs last year or the year before, I would have said Parise without hesitation. He was our man. He played like it. And the coaches and the players believed in him. I don't think there is anything to argue about after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I have a question, when do players have to make a decision by? When do the Sioux start training for their season? Other than registering for school to be elligible to play, I don't know of any official date on which players must give notification. Obviously, the coaches would prefer to know sooner rather than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I agree with fightingbooya. I really do think the locals need a "local hero" on the team. They chose Lammy by what he did in high school plus the accolades he recieved while in the USHL. I'm a local and I know lots of locals. I wasn't aware of our "choice" until I read your post. Thanks for keeping us locals informed of what we think. Of course people from Grand Forks like to see local kids do well on the team. But outside of a few hardened provincialists, most want the team to do well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprig Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I'm a local and I know lots of locals. I wasn't aware of our "choice" until I read your post. Thanks for keeping us locals informed of what we think. Of course people from Grand Forks like to see local kids do well on the team. But outside of a few hardened provincialists, most want the team to do well. Maybe the NCAA can tell us what to think Wait a minute, I'm not local (-200 miles). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I don't get it. Last winter while Parise was tearing it up I remember thinking people on this board were, in general, overly critical of Lammy's solid play. Now I'm hearing that we are overprotecting him because he's "local"? I don't buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choyt3 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 As for an example of this on the thread I dont have the time to dig through posts and look, but I have gone to this university for 4 years, and know a lot of students our age who feel that way, and its always made me wonder why. Whether any posters on this message bored feel the same way or not, I dont know, but from hearing it first hand, this was the explanation I have come up with. Congratulations on becoming enlightened to what the "locals" want to see in your 4 years in GF. I'm not buying it, either. "dagies" is right. There were plenty of posts on here showing ZERO confidence in Lammy last season. And now the "locals" want Lammy to play only because he's a local? GMAFB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 As for an example of this on the thread I dont have the time to dig through posts and look, ..... Thankfully, my place of business is closed today and I have some time on my hands. The following are the only posts re Philippe before your 'locals prefer Lammy' post. Goon>> I just hope that Lammy can now take the reins and put up the same kind of stellar numbers.fightingbooya>> ..., i just hope that lammy will become more consistent as the full time starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 'locals prefer Lammy' post. Goon>> fightingbooya>> Well I have heard through rumor central that Lammy has looked good in practice the last year and if Jordy leaves that Phil is more than able to fill the bill. The word is that he needs to play every game and not be rotated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csonked Out Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 yes i am fully aware that i have said those. What I am saying is that I feel a lot of people don't like Jordy because these people went to school with Phil, knew the family, or had ties for what ever reason. A lot of these people I am talking about are in their early 20's now, but you must of read the later part of my post when i specifically said i wasn't sure if any posters on this board felt the same way, I specifcally pointed out students because those were the only ones i knew of. Also I do wish Lammy the best of luck next year, i genuinelly hope that he becomes more consistent and would be thrilled if he was the go to guy. I just dont think its right to not like someone on the team because the backup was a GF boy and therefor hold a grudge against the other guy for something he can't control. Sadly enough local pride can get in the way sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 OK! Now, Does anyone think that Jordy might get an offer from Colorado? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csonked Out Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Does anyone think that Jordy might get an offer from Colorado? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxtravelinman Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Jordan signed with New Jersey on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux7>5 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Jordan signed with New Jersey on Sunday. There is nothing on New Jerseys website, which I have been checking regularly. If he signed put up a link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxtravelinman Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 heard it from the horses mouth. no link online as of yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux7>5 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 heard it from the horses mouth. no link online as of yet. Alright then, another piece of the puzzle gone. If we lose Toews or Oshie it might be a long season for us. Lets hope they stay put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxtravelinman Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Word is, Toews is gone as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THETRIOUXPER Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 heard it from the horses mouth. no link online as of yet. I believe it. As far as Oshie, he stays, Toews is still a ?. Wouldn't be shocked if he left, but would be overjoyed if he were to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux7>5 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I believe it. As far as Oshie, he stays, Toews is still a ?. Wouldn't be shocked if he left, but would be overjoyed if he were to stay. I think they both stay, Toews has pretty much said that he was staying and that he would be at UND for at least 1 more year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THETRIOUXPER Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I think they both stay, Toews has pretty much said that he was staying and that he would be at UND for at least 1 more year. So did Zajac, Stafford, Smaby, and Parise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosby_87 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Does anyone think that Jordy might get an offer from Colorado? I have been hearing strong offers from New Jersey from over 2 months now. I dont know if that would be the best fit because they already have Ahonen, Clemensen, and Brodeur. Other than that i know there were four other teams talking to him, and if i remember correctly Colorado was in the mix, but how strongly I am not quite sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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