The Death of a Nation

[Blackheart]

[GrahamKracker]

[Blackheart]

[MafiaMan]

  Why, when your an Indian, you have to represent the entire Indian population?  But if your Caucasian, you only have to represent yourself?

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I don't think you represent the entire Indian population any more than I represent the entire Italian-American population, GK.

On one hand, you claim to speak for every person of Sioux descent in North Dakota and that they rally behind your cause. Then on the other, you express anger at feeling that you have to represent the entire Indian population. Which one is it, GK?

[Sioux-cia]

Thanks, Guys. I went to bed and missed the "no father for your children" remark. It's interesting that Krack is continually complaining that we call him names, don't know him, don't know what's going on in the reservation, yet he takes the ONE thing out of my post that he thinks will "hurt my feelings" and ignores the relevant parts of the post.

Yup, I'm divorced. Had my first kid four years after marriage and divorced three years later. I'm sorry it didn't work out. My second child is adopted, his mother my sister, was burned to death in a fire when he was just an infant. There were a lot of others who wanted him but I was the lucky one to get him. His father who couldn't raise him was murdered five years later. Sad. But life goes on. I'm blessed because I have two wonderful sons.

You know GK I'm telling you this not because you deserve any explanation but to let you know terrible things happen to all of us. We don't all lie down, cover our heads with self pity and blame the world for our misfortunes. You totally missed the point of the struggles my family endured and the successes they made inspite of all the cr@p. As I've said repeatedly to you, your not a label, a macsot, or even a name. You're a man who is and will be judged by his accomplishments in life, not by his race. AND certainly not because you come on this board and profess to want the Sioux name changed for supposedly idealogical reasons. Although, that is your right. You hate, and this is one avenue for you to profess that hate. We don't hate you, we don't believe what you believe and that's our right.

My life is not going to be judged here or anywhere else because I'm pro-Sioux. I hope my life is judged on my accomplishments as a women who has made a difference in my childen's lives and in those I come in contact with everyday. I'm proud of the accomplishments my family has made, not because they're Mexican-Americans, because they were and are good people. Look at me, a product of their hard work. I am a damn good person who has accomplished all and more than my parents could have hoped for when they were helping me become who I am. No they couldn't help me financially after I left home. But they gave me the tools to help myself. So attack me all you want, I won't fall down, I won't give up, I won't blame the world for my failures, I'll learn from them and become stronger and better in spite of them. Vaya con dios.

[MafiaMan]

Thanks, Guys.  I went to bed and missed the "no father for your children" remark.  It's interesting that Krack is continually complaining that we call him names, don't know him, don't know what's going on in the reservation, yet he takes the ONE thing out of my post that he thinks will "hurt my feelings" and ignores the relevant parts of the post.

Yup, I'm divorced. Had my first kid four years after marriage and divorced three years later.  I'm sorry it didn't work out.  My second child is adopted, his mother my sister, was burned to death in a fire when he was just an infant.  There were a lot of others who wanted him but I was the lucky one to get him. His father who couldn't raise him was murdered five years later.  Sad.  But life goes on. I'm blessed because I have two wonderful sons.

You know GK I'm telling you this not because you deserve any explanation but to let you know terrible things happen to all of us.  We don't all lie down, cover our heads with self pity and blame the world for our misfortunes.  You totally missed the point of the struggles my family endured and the successes they made inspite of all the cr@p.  As I've said repeatedly to you, your not a label, a macsot, or even a name.  You're a man who is and will be judged by his accomplishments in life, not by his race. AND certainly not because you come on this board and profess to want the Sioux name changed for supposedly idealogical reasons. Although, that is your right. You hate, and this is one avenue for you to profess that hate. We don't hate you, we don't believe what you believe and that's our right. 

My life is not going to be judged here or anywhere else because I'm pro-Sioux.  I hope my life is judged on my accomplishments as a women who has made a difference in my childen's lives and in those I come in contact with everyday.  I'm proud of the accomplishments my family has made, not because they're Mexican-Americans, because they were and are good people.  Look at me, a product of their hard work.  I am a damn good person who has accomplished all and more than my parents could have hoped for when they were helping me become who I am.  No they couldn't help me financially after I left home.  But they gave me the tools to help myself.  So attack me all you want, I won't fall down, I won't give up, I won't blame the world for my failures, I'll learn from them and become stronger and better in spite of them.  Vaya con dios.

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Sioux-cia,

Having personally met you on our trip to Columbus, I can say I believe you to be a good person and a good mother. It was a real pleasure meeting you and chatting with you and your son the night of the DU/UND game. You shouldn't have had to come here and justify anything about your life. GK is who he is and he certainly seems to relish the role that he plays. I'm glad the central focus of his life is changing a school nickname. People like you and me realize we have far bigger missions.

[PCM]

Another great post, Sioux-cia.

[PCM]

I don't think you represent the entire Indian population any more than I represent the entire Italian-American population, GK. 

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Just go right ahead and shatter another one of my illusions.

[siouxguyinstpaul]

C'mon now, is that a way to "honor" one of the only true Sioux's you know?lolol

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BTW - why do you have that goofy Cleveland Indians logo as a signature when we don't live in Cleveland, aren't refering to Cleveland and don't care about Cleveland.

[redwing77]

Great post Sioux-cia. Both this latest one and the last one.

GK- Are they? I'm interested to know these things:

1. How many NA kids actually graduate from high school?

2. How goes the fight against alcoholism?

3. How goes the search to find a single instance of intolerance that is proven in paper that is 1990 or newer? Ok, I could have shortened this to: How is life in the past?

4. How many NA people decided to leave the reservation and strike out on their own to make a name for themselves, not relying on government or casino handouts? Is this number even on the rise?

5. Once the name is changed, how much higher will these numbers get? Will they immediately jump to the level American students (black, white, asian Americans, etc.) are holding at?

I can see it now and it is beautiful, GK.

MOrning after name change: "WHEW! It is a glorious day! UND's nickname is no longer there and we can FINALLY get over 90 percent high school graduations, a cure for alcoholism, and an end to federal handouts!"

Is that what you are saying? I really would like to know because if it is, then I'm 100 percent for the name change just to watch something like that happen.

[Sioux-cia]

BTW - why do you have that goofy Cleveland Indians logo as a signature when we don't live in Cleveland, aren't refering to Cleveland and don't care about Cleveland.

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Hum, Siouxguy? I cared about the Cleveland Indians for a little bit, for a little while this past week. As I watched my Chicago White Sox slide down that slippery slope that every year gets higher and slicker in September, I cared what those Cleveland Indians were doing. But, now I don't care anymore.

[siouxguyinstpaul]

Great post Sioux-cia.  Both this latest one and the last one.

GK- Are they?  I'm interested to know these things:

1.  How many NA kids actually graduate from high school?

2.  How goes the fight against alcoholism?

3.  How goes the search to find a single instance of intolerance that is proven in paper that is 1990 or newer?  Ok, I could have shortened this to:  How is life in the past?

4.  How many NA people decided to leave the reservation and strike out on their own to make a name for themselves, not relying on government or casino handouts?  Is this number even on the rise?

5.  Once the name is changed, how much higher will these numbers get?  Will they immediately jump to the level American students (black, white, asian Americans, etc.) are holding at?

I can see it now and it is beautiful, GK. 

MOrning after name change:  "WHEW!  It is a glorious day!  UND's nickname is no longer there and we can FINALLY get over 90 percent high school graduations, a cure for alcoholism, and an end to federal handouts!"

Is that what you are saying?  I really would like to know because if it is, then I'm 100 percent for the name change just to watch something like that happen.

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If we can't tell what will happen - lets look at what has happened.

How has the GFC Redskins name change to Knights improved the plite?

If I ams shown a (just one) positive - I'm all for it.

[siouxguyinstpaul]

Hum, Siouxguy? I cared about the Cleveland Indians for a little bit, for a little while this past week. As I watched my Chicago White Sox slide down that slippery slope that every year gets higher and slicker in September, I cared what those Cleveland Indians were doing. But, now I don't care anymore.

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I knew that I should have added "Indians Logo" with every mention of Cleveland to avoid this.

[IAAfan]

Does anyone else want to storm Notre Dame with me?

[HockeyMom]

I just caught up in this thread and I have to say that I am absolutely disgusted with your comments, GK. You owe her more than taking that out of your post.

Sioux-cia, what you have done in you life is admirable, and I respect that.

It's amazing that some people who have had hardships in their lives aren't CONSTANTLY whining and complaining about it, and blaming everyone else for their misfortunes.

Maybe some people should take a long-hard look at this and realize that you get much more out of life when you ACTUALLY do something about it rather than just whining, complaining and pointing fingers.

[MafiaMan]

Does anyone else want to storm Notre Dame with me?

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Nah. According to GK and friends, unless a leprauchan objects to the nickname, then apparently Fighting Irish is ok. Still trying to figure out how a leprauchan represents the Irish people, but who cares? I'm white and we all know white people are born wearing gold diapers, right?

[redwing77]

Nah. According to GK and friends, unless a leprauchan objects to the nickname, then apparently Fighting Irish is ok. Still trying to figure out how a leprauchan represents the Irish people, but who cares? I'm white and we all know white people are born wearing gold diapers, right?

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With silverspoons with and swaddled in a blanket that says "Opress the non-white men!" in Gold thread.

[Yttrium]

The University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux:

I've held off writing my comments on the name issue surrounding UND. It's interesting how many people have added their thoughts and feelings in perhaps the most "visible" issue right now in the NCAA.

First, and foremost, I'm a Native American. I'm not a Sioux ... just a hint ... we drove the Sioux to the West out of MN. I'm ashamed of some of the comments produced by the Pro-Natives on this issue. This name was given to "your" people in the 19th century. Why now? Why are you so ashamed of being called a Sioux Indian?

I'm proud to be a Native American Indian as are my children and my extended family. I would be honored if my college would have been called the "Fighting Chippewa's" because that's what we have done since our inception. Fighting solely for survival to exist is this ever changing world. Fighting to make our people a strong nation; educating our children; educating the generation that currently is raising those children; making a difference by voluteering our time to give our children those opportunities we didn't have; having goodness in our hearts with compassion and forgiveness for our fellow people.

The issues right now in Native America are well documented in these forums on SiouxSports.com. We need to quit crying over spilled milk. My family lost all of our land in a dispute with our reservation back in the 1930's and now I don't have any rights nor I'm I even eligible to be on tribal rolls. I'm almost 3/4 Ojibwe but not able to be called a "Tribal Affiliated" Indian. I'm educated plus I've spent the last 25 years of my life in the Youth Movement in both private and public sectors.

I want to leave my legacy over to my children and my people. "I" will make a difference during my lifetime!

This entire issue over the University of North Dakota naming issue has been labeled "hostile and abusive". Wow. That is the most pathetic thing I've ever heard.

The Sioux Nation doesn't want the state's university using their namesake. Why? Because they feel it's abusive. Abusive. That is what's happening right now on reservations and has since the Treaties. How commited are those tribal councils right now to the educational process of their children. Their future generations. I would say they're more focused on Casino's and the lack there of. I pick up the Indian News magazine and primarily see all the corruptness going on across the nation. Why shouldn't those magazines be filled w/ success stories of kids making history.

Well, by letting people influence them on issues like this where history is repeating itself in the regard "the white man is once again telling the Native Americans what's right and wrong for Native America." And why? Because it's giving those councils a chance to puff up the muscles and emerge as the good guys and yet giving away their namesake from their state's university. It will be the demise of your nation.

Have you ever realized that all the athletes who've donned the Fighting Sioux jersey or uniform since Day 1 would die for one another in competition. Are the people on the Tribal Councils around North Dakota former athletes? Probably not. Because you don't know how important things like wearing your state's colors are like representing your country.

I will forever consider the University of North Dakota as the Fighting Sioux. May the Great Spirit bless us all.

[GBpakrzz]

The University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux:

I've held off writing my comments on the name issue surrounding UND.  It's interesting how many people have added their thoughts and feelings in perhaps the most "visible" issue right now in the NCAA.

First, and foremost, I'm a Native American.  I'm not a Sioux ... just a hint ... we drove the Sioux to the West out of MN.  I'm ashamed of some of the comments produced by the Pro-Natives on this issue.  This name was given to "your" people in the 19th century.  Why now?  Why are you so ashamed of being called a Sioux Indian?

I'm proud to be a Native American Indian as are my children and my extended family.  I would be honored if my college would have been called the "Fighting Chippewa's" because that's what we have done since our inception.  Fighting solely for survival to exist is this ever changing world.  Fighting to make our people a strong nation; educating our children; educating the generation that currently is raising those children; making a difference by voluteering our time to give our children those opportunities we didn't have; having goodness in our hearts with compassion and forgiveness for our fellow people.

The issues right now in Native America are well documented in these forums on SiouxSports.com.  We need to quit crying over spilled milk.  My family lost all of our land in a dispute with our reservation back in the 1930's and now I don't have any rights nor I'm I even eligible to be on tribal rolls.  I'm almost 3/4 Ojibwe but not able to be called a "Tribal Affiliated" Indian.  I'm educated plus I've spent the last 25 years of my life in the Youth Movement in both private and public sectors.

I want to leave my legacy over to my children and my people.  "I" will make a difference during my lifetime!

This entire issue over the University of North Dakota naming issue has been labeled "hostile and abusive".  Wow.  That is the most pathetic thing I've ever heard.

The Sioux Nation doesn't want the state's university using their namesake.  Why?  Because they feel it's abusive.  Abusive.  That is what's happening right now on reservations and has since the Treaties.  How commited are those tribal councils right now to the educational process of their children.  Their future generations.  I would say they're more focused on Casino's and the lack there of.  I pick up the Indian News magazine and primarily see all the corruptness going on across the nation.  Why shouldn't those magazines be filled w/ success stories of kids making history. 

Well, by letting people influence them on issues like this where history is repeating itself in the regard "the white man is once again telling the Native Americans what's right and wrong for Native America."  And why?  Because it's giving those councils a chance to puff up the muscles and emerge as the good guys and yet giving away their namesake from their state's university.  It will be the demise of your nation. 

Have you ever realized that all the athletes who've donned the Fighting Sioux jersey or uniform since Day 1 would die for one another in competition.  Are the people on the Tribal Councils around North Dakota former athletes?  Probably not.  Because you don't know how important things like wearing your state's colors are like representing your country.

I will forever consider the University of North Dakota as the Fighting Sioux.  May the Great Spirit bless us all.

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Wow! What a breath of fresh air! No clue who this person is but he/she has my utmost respect for calling it like it is.

[PCM]

I will forever consider the University of North Dakota as the Fighting Sioux.  May the Great Spirit bless us all.

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Thank you for your very well-spoken comments.

[GrahamKracker]

The University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux:

I've held off writing my comments on the name issue surrounding UND.  It's interesting how many people have added their thoughts and feelings in perhaps the most "visible" issue right now in the NCAA.

First, and foremost, I'm a Native American.  I'm not a Sioux ... just a hint ... we drove the Sioux to the West out of MN.  I'm ashamed of some of the comments produced by the Pro-Natives on this issue.  This name was given to "your" people in the 19th century.  Why now?  Why are you so ashamed of being called a Sioux Indian?

I'm proud to be a Native American Indian as are my children and my extended family.  I would be honored if my college would have been called the "Fighting Chippewa's" because that's what we have done since our inception.  Fighting solely for survival to exist is this ever changing world.  Fighting to make our people a strong nation; educating our children; educating the generation that currently is raising those children; making a difference by voluteering our time to give our children those opportunities we didn't have; having goodness in our hearts with compassion and forgiveness for our fellow people.

The issues right now in Native America are well documented in these forums on SiouxSports.com.  We need to quit crying over spilled milk.  My family lost all of our land in a dispute with our reservation back in the 1930's and now I don't have any rights nor I'm I even eligible to be on tribal rolls.  I'm almost 3/4 Ojibwe but not able to be called a "Tribal Affiliated" Indian.  I'm educated plus I've spent the last 25 years of my life in the Youth Movement in both private and public sectors.

I want to leave my legacy over to my children and my people.  "I" will make a difference during my lifetime!

This entire issue over the University of North Dakota naming issue has been labeled "hostile and abusive".  Wow.  That is the most pathetic thing I've ever heard.

The Sioux Nation doesn't want the state's university using their namesake.  Why?  Because they feel it's abusive.  Abusive.  That is what's happening right now on reservations and has since the Treaties.  How commited are those tribal councils right now to the educational process of their children.  Their future generations.  I would say they're more focused on Casino's and the lack there of.  I pick up the Indian News magazine and primarily see all the corruptness going on across the nation.  Why shouldn't those magazines be filled w/ success stories of kids making history. 

Well, by letting people influence them on issues like this where history is repeating itself in the regard "the white man is once again telling the Native Americans what's right and wrong for Native America."  And why?  Because it's giving those councils a chance to puff up the muscles and emerge as the good guys and yet giving away their namesake from their state's university.  It will be the demise of your nation. 

Have you ever realized that all the athletes who've donned the Fighting Sioux jersey or uniform since Day 1 would die for one another in competition.  Are the people on the Tribal Councils around North Dakota former athletes?  Probably not.  Because you don't know how important things like wearing your state's colors are like representing your country.

I will forever consider the University of North Dakota as the Fighting Sioux.  May the Great Spirit bless us all.

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Why does everyone and their dog have a comment, yet you don't want to hear what the SIOUX nation has to say? (oh wait, you DID hear what they had to say, you just didn't want to LISTEN).

I too am Native American. the only difference is I was born into my Lakota tribe, was raised around Lakota people, and back them now. If you truly were Indian and knew of the problems we face here on campus you would back this change in a heartbeat, simply because it is the right thing to do, for ALL Natives. Ho hetche to.

[PCM]

If you truly were Indian and knew of the problems we face here on campus you would back this change in a heartbeat, simply because it is the right thing to do, for ALL Natives.  Ho hetche to.

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Then why don't ALL Natives agree with you? Why don't even MOST Natives agree with you?

[Diggler]

If you truly were Indian and knew of the problems we face here on campus you would back this change in a heartbeat, simply because it is the right thing to do, for ALL Natives.  Ho hetche to.

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This is such a ridiculous argument. Just because someone is Native American, they have to agree with you on this issue and if they donn't then they're not a true Native American? That's just plain and simple silly.

[Yttrium]

Aniin and Hou-koda to my brothers & sisters:

Thanks for your kind replies to my heartfelt message.

The things that go on at the UND campus go on everywhere in this world. You cannot stop the way other people feel. You must go on. That's why our reservations are the way they are right now. So worried about what someones saying about you .. about our people. Have you ever said anything negative about a white person grahamcracker?

We all know that answer.

Just like I said last night ... we must move forward and quit crying about the past and how someone hurt my feelings. My feelings get hurt everyday but I get up for work ... help kids ... make my family stronger to accept people of all color ... dream and aspire to do better.

This issue (the Fighting Sioux name and logo) is all about power and how our people once again get influenced by the white man in what's right for Native Americans. Don't you realize what the word "honor" means. You never told me if you were an athlete too grahamcracker? Well, are you?

Why don't you go and talk w/ every single former athlete, current athlete so you can see the passion and pride these Fighting Sioux warriors have. Shame on you for trying to take something away that your entire state is so proud of.

Maybe they can teach a thing or two on loyalty, pride and dignity. You better wake up and smell the coffee. You should be proud that UND has chosen to respect the Sioux nation. And just because someone hurts your feelings you want your people's namesake taken away.

As I mentioned ealier, I'm Native American and making a solid difference in lives of not only our people but children of all colors. It's what the Great Spirit choose me to do. I see them only as human beings ... as Americans ... as our brothers and sisters.

It's 2005 and we must move forward. By losing that Fighting Sioux name and logo your Sioux people will forever lose their identity. But maybe that's what you want so no one can hurt your feelings anymore.

It's time that UND and the students (alumni and current) take a stand to keep the Fighting Sioux name.

May the Great Spirit protect and guide you on your "Good Path".

[new2sioux2]

Aniin and Hou-koda to my brothers & sisters:

Thanks for your kind replies to my heartfelt message.

The things that go on at the UND campus go on everywhere in this world.  You cannot stop the way other people feel.  You must go on.  That's why our reservations are the way they are right now.  So worried about what someones saying about you .. about our people.  Have you ever said anything negative about a white person grahamcracker?

We all know that answer.

Just like I said last night ... we must move forward and quit crying about the past and how someone hurt my feelings.  My feelings get hurt everyday but I get up for work ... help kids ... make my family stronger to accept people of all color ... dream and aspire to do better.

This issue (the Fighting Sioux name and logo) is all about power and how our people once again get influenced by the white man in what's right for Native Americans.  Don't you realize what the word "honor" means.  You never told me if you were an athlete too grahamcracker?  Well, are you? 

Why don't you go and talk w/ every single former athlete, current athlete so you can see the passion and pride these Fighting Sioux warriors have.  Shame on you for trying to take something away that your entire state is so proud of.

Maybe they can teach a thing or two on loyalty, pride and dignity.  You better wake up and smell the coffee.  You should be proud that UND has chosen to respect the Sioux nation.  And just because someone hurts your feelings you want your people's namesake taken away.

As I mentioned ealier, I'm Native American and making a solid difference in lives of not only our people but children of all colors.  It's what the Great Spirit choose me to do.  I see them only as human beings ... as Americans ... as our brothers and sisters.

It's 2005 and we must move forward.  By losing that Fighting Sioux name and logo your Sioux people will forever lose their identity.  But maybe that's what you want so no one can hurt your feelings anymore.

It's time that UND and the students (alumni and current) take a stand to keep the Fighting Sioux name. 

May the Great Spirit protect and guide you on your "Good Path".

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BRAVO!!!!! again!