siouxrunner Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 It IS with great pride that the UND athletes wear their uniforms. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> As a former athlete, I can back this up. Every one of my teammates was (and still is) proud to wear the Fighting Sioux name and logo, and we represented our school with class, dignity, and honor. We would often get comments from places we competed regarding how respectful and well mannered we were. I, like Sioux-cia, feel that I am Sioux, and I think all my teammates would say the same thing. We may not all be Native American Indians...but we are all Sioux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 As a former athlete, I can back this up. Every one of my teammates was (and still is) proud to wear the Fighting Sioux name and logo, and we represented our school with class, dignity, and honor. We would often get comments from places we competed regarding how respectful and well mannered we were. I, like Sioux-cia, feel that I am Sioux, and I think all my teammates would say the same thing. We may not all be Native American Indians...but we are all Sioux. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggler Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 http://www.thedakotastudent.com/vnews/disp...3/4341965c0008d Ummm, have you actually attended a sporting event at UND? Not one person? How is that possible? Must be nice living in a cave for two years. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Caitlin got this same letter published in the Herald. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Caitlin got this same letter published in the Herald. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Caitlin Schultz, NDSU graduate/NDSU soccer player, who sits (or sat) on at least one committee with GK/KTF, that Caitlin Schultz? Mmmm....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 From the Minnesota Daily: UND still waving the flag of bigotry The University of North Dakota needs to drop its racist nickname and logos. The university should listen to the tribes and the NCAA, and accept the decision. Just because the university doesn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamKracker Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 From the Minnesota Daily: UND still waving the flag of bigotry The University of North Dakota needs to drop its racist nickname and logos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggler Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Is that a threat? The land you are on, you don't think it "wasn't" Indian land at on point? Instead of crying around about what other Universities are or aren't doing, why don't we focus on what UND needs to do? Change the name/logo, now that's a good start........ <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I believe PCM's point was those living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Is that a threat? No, it's a question. What university in this region should UND be more like? NDSU? SDSU? USD? Minnesota? SCSU? Iowa? Wisconsin? Because the NCAA thinks they're all just fine for Native Americans, given the animal nicknames of their sports teams. And that's really what's most important in your world, isn't it? The land you are on, you don't think it "wasn't" Indian land at on point?That's not the point. The point is that whenver UND's use of the Sioux nickanme and logo is discussed, suddenly the land taken from the Indians in the Dakotas is relevant. But in Minnesota, it's not relevant. Why? They've got Goldie Gopher for a mascot, and that enables them to sweep their state's history with Indians under the rug. When UND has a nice, noncontroversial name that makes the high-paid NCAA bureaucrats sitting in their plush offices in Indianapolis, Indiana, happy, it can begin the process of becoming equal. Instead of crying around about what other Universities are or aren't doing, why don't we focus on what UND needs to do? Change the name/logo, now that's a good start........ <{POST_SNAPBACK}> When all the universities I mentioned above come anywhere near doing what UND does for American Indians, then it will be a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted October 7, 2005 Author Share Posted October 7, 2005 Strange juxtaposition - UND/ North Dakota leadership accused of McCarthyism: Logo flap a failure of UND leadership Hmm, aren't the NCAA / PC'ers tactics McCarthy-like by accusations of racially-based hostility and abusiveness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Instead of crying around about what other Universities are or aren't doing, why don't we focus on what UND needs to do? Change the name/logo, now that's a good start........ <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why don't you stop crying about UND changing the logo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Logo flap a failure of UND leadership A clear example of "unclear on the concept". Somehow, instead of leading, those such as UND President Charles Kupchella, Grand Forks Herald editor Mike Jacobs, Gov. John Hoeven and many others seem mesmerized by the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 (edited) Edited October 7, 2005 by Goon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamStrait Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 From the Minnesota Daily: UND still waving the flag of bigotry The University of North Dakota needs to drop its racist nickname and logos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Come on, you didn't really expect anything different from the student newspaper of the flagship university of the People's Republic of Minnesota, did you? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I resent that statement. Governor Pawlenty signed into law legislation making us the People's Democratice Republic of Minnesota just last week. You hafta love the NCAA, don't you? We don't hear a peep about The Ohio State University and the Maurice Clarett situation anymore. Minnesota doesn't even have a banner recognizing their basketball Final Four team from a few years ago thanks to the scandal involving their coach and players having homework being completed for them. Florida State and Miami have a competition going as to who can recruit the most convicted felons for their programs. The University of Colorado has its hands full with a coach and football players who can't quite control themselves around attractive women. Until he was canned recently, Bob Huggins graduated what, like 1 player in the past 16 years from Cincinnati? But we brush those issues under the rug and get to an issue that needs real attention and immediate action: school logos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoggy Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 I resent that statement. Governor Pawlenty signed into law legislation making us the People's Democratice Republic of Minnesota just last week. You hafta love the NCAA, don't you? We don't hear a peep about The Ohio State University and the Maurice Clarett situation anymore. Minnesota doesn't even have a banner recognizing their basketball Final Four team from a few years ago thanks to the scandal involving their coach and players having homework being completed for them. Florida State and Miami have a competition going as to who can recruit the most convicted felons for their programs. The University of Colorado has its hands full with a coach and football players who can't quite control themselves around attractive women. Until recently, Bob Huggins graduated what, like 1 player in the past 16 years from Cincinnati? But we brush those issues under the rug and get to an issue that needs real attention and immediate action: school logos. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You also got to love Minnesota's FB recruiting practice of bringing kids to the strip clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted October 8, 2005 Author Share Posted October 8, 2005 Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette: Letter calls for Schools to Shun Illinois, North Dakota A letter signed by 90 people, mostly faculty members from various universities, was sent Tuesday to the presidents, chancellors and athletic directors at more than 300 universities. The letter specifically calls for a policy that precludes competition with the UI and the University of North Dakota, which uses the nickname "Fighting Sioux." Â Those signing the letter include 30 UI faculty; 24 faculty from the University of North Dakota; a former chair of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights; and representatives from religious, American Indian and other organizations. Â Secondly, Kaufman said, "Student-athletes should be aware that Illinois and North Dakota have a problem in their athletic programs, and they should be asking themselves if this is the institution they should come and invest their academic and athletic (talents) in. Â "It certainly gives fuel for other athletic directors to raise this issue with student-athletes and I think it's an issue that should rightfully be raised," Kaufman said. "I can't imagine a student-athlete would want to come and play football at the University of Illinois if they can't play in a bowl game, should they get that far." Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette:Â Letter calls for Schools to Shun Illinois, North Dakota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggler Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I'm gonna write a letter that calls upon the world to shun pompous, self-righteous jackasses. Who wants to sign it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I'm gonna write a letter that calls upon the world to shun pompous, self-righteous jackasses. Who wants to sign it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It would be a pleasure to sign that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I'm gonna write a letter that calls upon the world to shun pompous, self-righteous jackasses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejm Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I'm gonna write a letter that calls upon the world to shun pompous, self-righteous jackasses. Who wants to sign it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm there Diggler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I should ACTUALLY read posts before I quote them. Ah, who cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dagies Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Count me in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I think that telling prospective students not to come to a University that you work for should be grounds for termination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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