choyt3 Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 Those poor kids. You can see their self-esteem eroding as you look at that picture. PCM, did you email that picture to D. Yellow Bird? Quote
PCM Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 Those poor kids. You can see their self-esteem eroding as you look at that picture. PCM, did you email that picture to D. Yellow Bird? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'll let someone else do that. Aniak High School must have one of the most politically incorrect logos in use anywhere. A crossed rifle and spear? A white guy and a native staring each other down? I don't even know where to begin feeling offended. Quote
dakotadan Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 [url="http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=102459 Quote
HockeyMom Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 It makes me feel a lot better that Spirit Lake knows that panel was one-sided. Quote
HockeyMom Posted September 9, 2005 Posted September 9, 2005 On the WDAZ news clip the other night covering the one-sided panel, they were showing all of the former logos. I thought the same thing........move out of the past. Quote
GrahamKracker Posted September 10, 2005 Posted September 10, 2005 The poll sample would have been skewed had the done that. It was based on North Dakota demographics. If they would've asked more Native Americans, it would've messed up those demographics.. They would have had to ask more people overall and then you still have the same relative problem. As it is, it was a scientifically valid poll. People don't understand that you don't need to ask 6 zillion people for a poll to be very accurate. 605 is enough. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 30 NA's is a large enough poll to represent the entire population? And how did they get these 30 polls, Over the phone? the last time I checked, many Natives didn't have a phones, so that excludes half of the population. (oh yeah, and I'm back, I needed to recharge my batteries and go hang out w/ some other Lakota's for awhile) Quote
GrahamKracker Posted September 10, 2005 Posted September 10, 2005 I'll let someone else do that. Aniak High School must have one of the most politically incorrect logos in use anywhere. A crossed rifle and spear? A white guy and a native staring each other down? I don't even know where to begin feeling offended. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How does that make you offended? If that is what they claim to be, then so be it. At least they are truthful w/ themselves. Not like here, who's SIOUX? not you. Quote
PCM Posted September 10, 2005 Posted September 10, 2005 (edited) How does that make you offended? Edited September 10, 2005 by PCM Quote
PCM Posted September 10, 2005 Posted September 10, 2005 Sept. 10, 2005 From the Grand Forks Herald: NCAA seeks more information on UND-Sioux issue Lunderman would not identify the people and organizations that have provided input and she wouldn't characterize the input they've provided. She said the committee still is compiling information it's received and is seeking additional information.Meanwhile, Spirit Lake tribal leaders have not announced their support or opposition to the nickname. Despite repeated attempts, Spirit Lake Tribal Council Chairwoman Myra Pearson could not be reached for a comment on the issue. On Friday's WDAZ news at 6, they talked to 20 enrolled members of the Spirit Lake Tribe. Fifteen supported UND's use of the Sioux name, three opposed it and two didn't have an opinion. Quote
redwing77 Posted September 10, 2005 Posted September 10, 2005 Sept. 10, 2005 From the Grand Forks Herald: NCAA seeks more information on UND-Sioux issue On Friday's WDAZ news at 6, they talked to 20 enrolled members of the Spirit Lake Tribe. Fifteen supported UND's use of the Sioux name, three opposed it and two didn't have an opinion. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All this prolonging of the resolution! It's driving me nuts! Quote
Sioux-cia Posted September 10, 2005 Posted September 10, 2005 Thought I'd add a little levity to the 'name game'. http://channels.netscape.com/ns/travel/con...ustriantown.jsp One Town's Very Obscene Name "We will not stand for the F---ing signs being removed. It may be very amusing for you British, but F---ing is simply F---ing to us. What is this big F---ing joke? It is puerile." "Just this morning I had to tell an English lady who stopped by that there were no F---ing postcards." Quote
Mad Man Posted September 10, 2005 Posted September 10, 2005 How does that make you offended? If that is what they claim to be, then so be it. At least they are truthful w/ themselves. Not like here, who's SIOUX? not you. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Lighten up Francis. Quote
fightonsioux Posted September 10, 2005 Posted September 10, 2005 Saltine, You are saying the poll isn't legit because most American Indians don't have phones? Unbelievable! Then I guess no poll is legit because there are many white folk that don't have phones either. Quote
Goon Posted September 10, 2005 Posted September 10, 2005 Saltine, You are saying the poll isn't legit because most American Indians don't have phones? Unbelievable! Then I guess no poll is legit because there are many white folk that don't have phones either. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Its not legit because it wasn't done with a slant against the name. Only result those people like GK and Know the facts want is one that is against the name. What a joke. Notice how they did one of their own polls and found different results. If that isn't dishonestly give me a break. Talk about jamming your biases down someone's throat. Quote
Runninwiththedogs Posted September 11, 2005 Posted September 11, 2005 Interesting article out of the Daily Illini, the student newspaper. I thought this excerpt was especially relevant to the "Fighting Sioux" nickname, as well: "[...]Illinois' teams are not the only ones to attach "fighting" to their nickname. Programs from South Carolina's Fighting Gamecocks to the Carroll College Fighting Saints have employed the same word, which dictionary.com says means 'to contend with physically or in battle,' or 'to wage or carry on (a battle).'" So is the "Fighting" in the nickname meant to describe the Sioux, or to describe the athletes on the playing field battling against their opponents? In the cases listed here, it seemed that, if "fighting" was used as an adjective for the Gamecocks, it would be redundant (because all gamecocks are, inherently, going to fight, or else they would just be regular roosters), and in the case of the Saints, inaccurate (aren't many saints known for being peaceful and kind while doing God's work?). But, if "fighting" was used to describe the athletes, it would be accurate (esp. for a few of your more well-known goons... ). Anyone ever thought of it this way? Also, GK, do you think any college athlete today actually thinks they are what their nickname is? I mean, if Sven Svenssen from Stockholm or Ole Oleson from Oslo came to UND, do you think either suddenly think he was AI rather than Scandinavian? I don't think Evan Schwabe thinks of himself as a bulldog, I think he's aware that he is a (damn fine looking) human being. When UND and UMD meet, I'm not thinking "I hope these mean-looking canines with spiked collars and droopy jowls can bite the crap out of this tribe of Sioux." Reasonable, intelligent humans (and even unreasonable, intelligent sub-humans like Wisconsin fans) are fully cognizant the people in the uniforms are not necessarily what the nickname says. Reasonable, intelligent student-athletes (and knuckle-dragging buffoons like Robbie Earl!) know who they are, and they can differentiate between a mascot or nickname and their actual ancestry (and species). So, I don't remember where you implied this, but UND skaters are not going out onto the ice thinking they're members of your tribe. Don't try to turn this argument your own way though, because then you could also say that the Bulldogs do not have the right to the nickname (and mascot) of a bulldog because they are not bulldogs. And that's just ridiculous. Although, you know all about ridiculous... Quote
PCM Posted September 12, 2005 Posted September 12, 2005 WDAZ had a good story about Bennett Brien on its Sunday news at 10 p.m. It mentioned that his wife is Sioux. He is very proud of the logo and doesn't understand why anyone would be offended by it. He said that anyone who's against the logo should visit a reservation and see what the real problems are. He also said that if UND drops the Sioux name, he thinks there' be a lot of support for switching to the Fighting Chippewa. Quote
PCM Posted September 12, 2005 Posted September 12, 2005 Sept. 11, 2005 From the Fargo Forum: [url="http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=102569 Quote
fightonsioux Posted September 12, 2005 Posted September 12, 2005 Runningwiththedogs, I do have to admit that I think Minnesota Gopher athletes really are gophers! Quote
redwing77 Posted September 12, 2005 Posted September 12, 2005 Runningwiththedogs, I do have to admit that I think Minnesota Gopher athletes really are gophers! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Is that why they hide in their holes when a physical team comes to town? Has the NCAA rejected the appeal yet? Quote
747Guy Posted September 12, 2005 Posted September 12, 2005 He said that anyone who's against the logo should visit a reservation and see what the real problems are. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> BINGO!!!!!!! Quote
PCM Posted September 12, 2005 Posted September 12, 2005 From the Native American Times: The spine of the NCAA turns to jelly Now I ask those who think it is Quote
Sioux-cia Posted September 12, 2005 Posted September 12, 2005 From the Native American Times: The Indian nations of North Dakota included in its resolution that the use of the Quote
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