2025 Non-UND FCS News/Scores Thread

[Cratter]

54 minutes ago, nodakvindy said:

That was before the NIL and CFP.  Different ballgame now. The power leagues are just at a different level now. Only way it would happen is if ESPN wants it. That's were things are. 

Theres always "Well that happened because...."

Soon it'll be "Well they came to Fargo because...."

[SIOUXFAN97]

weird headline in the nypost

 

[Bison06]

54 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

weird headline in the nypost

 

Seems like a reasonable headline to me, especially given how surprising it is coming from an FCS school. NDSU's last 4 QB's have been drafted and potentially a 5th in this year's draft. The list of schools that have had 4 starting QB's in a row drafted is extremely small.

I'll concede that Trey Lance has been what most people consider a bust. But none of the rest of the QB's who have come out of NDSU could be included on a list of busts.

Who else would you include?

[SIOUXFAN97]

14 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Seems like a reasonable headline to me, especially given how surprising it is coming from an FCS school. NDSU's last 4 QB's have been drafted and potentially a 5th in this year's draft. The list of schools that have had 4 starting QB's in a row drafted is extremely small.

I'll concede that Trey Lance has been what most people consider a bust. But none of the rest of the QB's who have come out of NDSU could be included on a list of busts.

Who else would you include?

carson

the mouth breather

mattress miller

and tebow jr soon

[SIOUXFAN97]

it seems weird to me that instead of the calling out ndac and qb's...they should be pointing out that the reason guys like trey and carson struggle when they get to the nfl is that their are no woffords or incarntes words....the speed of the game is shockingly faster and they can't compute that..."i made the same throw against western carolina that was a td...now that exact throw is a pick six against the ravens"....weird how that works

[fightingsioux4life]

8 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

it seems weird to me that instead of the calling out ndac and qb's...they should be pointing out that the reason guys like trey and carson struggle when they get to the nfl is that their are no woffords or incarntes words....the speed of the game is shockingly faster and they can't compute that..."i made the same throw against western carolina that was a td...now that exact throw is a pick six against the ravens"....weird how that works

A lot of P4 FBS players don't make it in the NFL either. It's one of the most exclusive clubs in the world.

[UND69er]

6 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

it seems weird to me that instead of the calling out ndac and qb's...they should be pointing out that the reason guys like trey and carson struggle when they get to the nfl is that their are no woffords or incarntes words....the speed of the game is shockingly faster and they can't compute that..."i made the same throw against western carolina that was a td...now that exact throw is a pick six against the ravens"....weird how that works

Very few FCS QBs have had a big success in the NFL especially early in their career.

[jdub27]

56 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

The list of schools that have had 4 starting QB's in a row drafted is extremely small.

Not going to argue the impressive part but it is amusing how Zeb Noland and Quincy Patterson get skipped over quite frequently.

[Bison06]

57 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

carson

the mouth breather

mattress miller

and tebow jr soon

Hard to take you seriously with these middle school insults.

Nobody outside of the first 3 rounds can ever be included in a bust conversation. Everything beyond the middle of round 3 is a complete crapshoot that comes with very little expectations and financial commitment from the teams.

As far as Carson goes, he is an ACL injury away from being an NFL MVP. He has signed 5 NFL contracts. Busts usually don't make it past their 1st, maybe a 2nd. He will end his career in the top 100 all time passing yards. Has he lived up to the expectations of a top 1st round draft pick, maybe, maybe not. But to call him a bust just shows a lack of ball knowledge.

[Bison06]

21 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Not going to argue the impressive part but it is amusing how Zeb Noland and Quincy Patterson get skipped over quite frequently.

Fair point.

Both of those guys deserve recognition for their contributions to the program and it isn't correct of me to exclude them. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Bison06]

1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

it seems weird to me that instead of the calling out ndac and qb's...they should be pointing out that the reason guys like trey and carson struggle when they get to the nfl is that their are no woffords or incarntes words....the speed of the game is shockingly faster and they can't compute that..."i made the same throw against western carolina that was a td...now that exact throw is a pick six against the ravens"....weird how that works

Most QBs struggle with that when they transition to the NFL, it isn't just an NDSU thing. Is FCS football the SEC or Big10, nope. So the learning curve is even steeper for FCS guys. But it isn't an NDSU QB thing. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

3 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Most QBs struggle with that when they transition to the NFL, it isn't just an NDSU thing. Is FCS football the SEC or Big10, nope. So the learning curve is even steeper for FCS guys. But it isn't an NDSU QB thing. 

the ratio of dollars earned versus careers wins amongst that group above is staggering.....if i was a GM i wouldn't touch a ndac qb ever again....

10 milly for every career win as a starter?

[Bison06]

4 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

the ratio of dollars earned versus careers wins amongst that group above is staggering.....if i was a GM i wouldn't touch a ndac qb ever again....

10 milly for every career win as a starter?

And yet, the people whose livelihood and career depend on them making these decisions keep signing them to contracts. How would you explain that? Luck?

[SIOUXFAN97]

7 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

And yet, the people whose livelihood and career depend on them making these decisions keep signing them to contracts. How would you explain that? Luck?

incompetency? also known as cte

 

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

mouth breather 

0 wins 12 milly

mr trey

2 wins 36 milly

carson

49 wins  135 milly

 

51 wins total

183 milly total

 

3.5 million per win...not good

 

mr trey and mouth breather is 24 milly per win....that is next level

[Bison06]

26 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

mouth breather 

0 wins 12 milly

mr trey

2 wins 36 milly

carson

49 wins  135 milly

 

51 wins total

183 milly total

 

3.5 million per win...not good

 

mr trey and mouth breather is 24 milly per win....that is next level

Trey has been a bust, I've conceded that. 

I'm sorry, I can't keep up with the childish insults, who exactly is the mouth breather? Easton? He was drafted in the 5th round. Hard to find data on QB's drafted that late, but AI tells me the median number of starts for QB's drafted in the 5th round or later is between 0 and 3 starts in their career. Easton has started 4 games, which makes him more successful than the average QB drafted in the 5th round or later. 

Also, QB's get paid a lot, so we would need to understand what the standard is for dollars paid/win to understand a reference point for what is considered a good average.

Using 2025 season the top 5 paid NFL QB's were:

Dak-60 Million-11 wins-5.5 million/win

Josh Allen-55 million-11 wins-4.5 million/win

Joe Burrow-55 million-5 wins-11 million/win

Trevor Lawrence-55 million-13 wins-4.2 million/win

Jordan Love-55 million-9 wins-6.1 million/win

Looks to me like 3.5 million/win is actually quite the bargain when you look at what the going rate for wins is in the NFL.

Carson is at 2.7 million/win. So even by your own made up criteria, Carson isn't a bust. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

career not season....

[Bison06]

1 minute ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

career not season....

Not sure if you’re aware of this, but salaries get paid every year.

Starting QB get paid ridiculous money so even if they are successful their average dollars/win will be higher than Carson’s and back up QB’s by definition don’t start games. Easton and Cam and anyone else drafted late don’t get drafted with the expectation of starting games. 
 

Back to my original point, none of the QBs from ndsu can be considered a bust. Outside of Trey.

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Not sure if you’re aware of this, but salaries get paid every year.

Starting QB get paid ridiculous money so even if they are successful their average dollars/win will be higher than Carson’s and back up QB’s by definition don’t start games. Easton and Cam and anyone else drafted late don’t get drafted with the expectation of starting games. 
 

Back to my original point, none of the QBs from ndsu can be considered a bust. Outside of Trey.

you sure about that?

 

[Bison06]

5 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

you sure about that?

 

The exception proves the rule. Purdy was literally drafted to be a backup and wouldn’t have started a single game if garrapolo didn’t get hurt.Late draft picks aren’t drafted with the expectation to start. Everybody knows this.

Does UND football offer a school start walk to someone they expect to start at QB their true freshman year?

Just say you don’t like ndsu and you will make up for any stat you can to not admit they’ve been successful.

[SIOUXFAN97]

one guy played five years in 1a and went undrafted bc his funky release....yet the midget and the madmen of cass county think this other guy with a funky release after playing about 10 1aa games is gonna be qb2 and maybe go in the first or second round....

puzzlin'

 

[Bison06]

4 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

one guy played five years in 1a and went undrafted bc his funky release....yet the midget and the madmen of cass county think this other guy with a funky release after playing about 10 1aa games is gonna be qb2 and maybe go in the first or second round....

puzzlin'

 

What information am I to glean from these nameless stat lines? Help me out, I’m just a lowly ndsu grad after all.

[SIOUXFAN97]

14 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

The exception proves the rule. Purdy was literally drafted to be a backup and wouldn’t have started a single game if garrapolo didn’t get hurt.Late draft picks aren’t drafted with the expectation to start. Everybody knows this.

Does UND football offer a school start walk to someone they expect to start at QB their true freshman year?

Just say you don’t like ndsu and you will make up for any stat you can to not admit they’ve been successful.

point is if your gonna draft qb's draft qb's that have played against the highest level of competition...if your dipping down into the 1aaa or the g6 1aa ranks your doing the "i'm so smart bc i just found the next steve young at ndac...trust me...he's gonna be legit"....funny that the same team drafted brock and mr trey and looking back at it their draft spots should've been reversed....or mr trey should've for sure been undrafted and ended up at scheels bike department

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 minute ago, Bison06 said:

What information am I to glean from these nameless stat lines? Help me out, I’m just a lowly ndsu grad after all.

taysum hill v tebow jr

[Hawkster]

Wentz will always be overrated in my books.   There's a reason he's been on 6 teams over the years.   It's often rumored that he was hard to get along with and that would fit with him constantly looking for a new team.  I'd say the only reason the Vikes signed him is that he'll be QB3 and used sparingly.

The one Bison I enjoyed watching was Zabel in the Super Bowl.   It probably helped that I wanted Seattle to win, but I thought he's the type of player we need to recruit more.

There's something about Wentz's arrogance that annoys me.   He doesn't play nearly as good as he thinks he plays.   As I said, overrated and over egoed.