Fire Berry Please!

[SIOUXELEVENS]

The teams lack of being prepared, inconsistent play and poor game strategy comes down to coaching, I also think this staff put too much emphasis on the regular season and had nothing left for the playoffs. When has Berrys team played well in the post season ? Except for his first one. I think Berry is a nice guy and probably a great assistant just not a good head coach. He loves the hard working grinding style that’s why Senden, Hain and schmatlz get more ice time then most people think they deserve. Some times the game just passes you by and it’s time for new blood. 

[Goon]

5 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

The teams lack of being prepared, inconsistent play and poor game strategy comes down to coaching, I also think this staff put too much emphasis on the regular season and had nothing left for the playoffs. When has Berrys team played well in the post season ? Except for his first one. I think Berry is a nice guy and probably a great assistant just not a good head coach. He loves the hard working grinding style that’s why Senden, Hain and schmatlz get more ice time then most people think they deserve. Some times the game just passes you by and it’s time for new blood. 

Yep, Schmaltz is an untalented hack. That brings nothing to the table. 

 

[stoneySIOUX]

2 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

The teams lack of being prepared, inconsistent play and poor game strategy comes down to coaching, I also think this staff put too much emphasis on the regular season and had nothing left for the playoffs. When has Berrys team played well in the post season ? Except for his first one. I think Berry is a nice guy and probably a great assistant just not a good head coach. He loves the hard working grinding style that’s why Senden, Hain and schmatlz get more ice time then most people think they deserve. Some times the game just passes you by and it’s time for new blood. 

Like I said before, I just want some legit, well-thought out discussion of concepts like "lack of being prepared" or "poor game strategy". I certainly can admit that I've seen UND come out flat many times and perform that way. I've also seen the opposite more often than the latter. Kids come out and play like garbage because of many reasons. I'll never believe Bubs doesn't have his boys ready to play. UND doesn't recruit players that lack will or want. Lack of preparation makes no sense to me. Are any of us actually believing UND isn't preparing?

[Brim006]

6 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Without a discussion of how a team is getting "outcoached", this is the stuff that holds no merit. I'm honestly not directly singling you out, I'm really not, but this has no basis in fact, it's just opinion. This belief is driven by the recent lack of success in NCAA. I get that. But I don't think I've ever heard a logical reasoning why Bubs lost any of the games we're griping that he's responsible for. 

"Regularly beat by far inferior programs" is also not based in fact. UND consistently beats teams it should. You don't chalk a record that Bubs has by losing to losing to teams you should beat. 

What kind of record has he chalked? Even looking past his post season struggles (or lack of even making the post season) he also has a worse winning percentage than Hak and Blaise did. His poor regular season records, and habit of losing to far inferior programs....is the exact reason his teams have missed the post season so often. I'm on the very easy side of this disagreement lol. Are you Berry's burner account? 

 

 

[SIOUXELEVENS]

4 minutes ago, Goon said:

Yep, Schmaltz is an untalented hack. That brings nothing to the table. 

 

Your words not mine but 9 goals the last three years might not make him a top 6 foward. 

[nodakgirl93]

17 minutes ago, Goon said:

Yep, Schmaltz is an untalented hack. That brings nothing to the table. 

 

It should be expected for every player to be able to score in that situation. 

[stoneySIOUX]

16 minutes ago, Brim006 said:

What kind of record has he chalked? Even looking past his post season struggles (or lack of even making the post season) he also has a worse winning percentage than Hak and Blaise did. His poor regular season records, and habit of losing to far inferior programs....is the exact reason his teams have missed the post season so often. I'm on the very easy side of this disagreement lol. Are you Berry's burner account? 

Again, come with reasonable facts other than "regularly beat by far inferior programs" or that our teams are being "outcoached". 

UND is 206-104-33 overall under Bubs. What do Blais and Hak have to do with it? Poor regular season records? It's insane to think we get regularly beat by far inferior programs. Has it happened? Yes. Has it cost us tournament bids? One time, specifically yes. Is it a regular occurrence? Not even close.

Dude, I am being civil. Don't bring nonsense in here like I'm a burner account. Come with real things to discuss. It's ok to have a different opinion, but saying things that have no merit brings nothing to the table. 

[Brim006]

18 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

The teams lack of being prepared, inconsistent play and poor game strategy comes down to coaching, I also think this staff put too much emphasis on the regular season and had nothing left for the playoffs. When has Berrys team played well in the post season ? Except for his first one. I think Berry is a nice guy and probably a great assistant just not a good head coach. He loves the hard working grinding style that’s why Senden, Hain and schmatlz get more ice time then most people think they deserve. Some times the game just passes you by and it’s time for new blood. 

Emphasis on the regular season...but only within conference play yes. I'd agree his regular season record within the best conference has been good. But his regular season record against non-con teams has been poor and is the sole reason for his struggles. Those are the pairwise killer games that have snubbed their post season chances essentially every other year, and nearly held them out another year or 2. If they had won more of those, they would have made the tournament more often and would have essentially doubled his chances to get further within the tournament. BUT...losing to Cansius, Bemidji State, Cornell, ASU, Mankato, Penn State, *Team USA x2*, *Augustana*, Alaska Anch, Goofs, Mich State, Union during the regular season has been the reason they have been left out so often lately. 

[tnt]

6 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Like I said before, I just want some legit, well-thought out discussion of concepts like "lack of being prepared" or "poor game strategy". I certainly can admit that I've seen UND come out flat many times and perform that way. I've also seen the opposite more often than the latter. Kids come out and play like garbage because of many reasons. I'll never believe Bubs doesn't have his boys ready to play. UND doesn't recruit players that lack will or want. Lack of preparation makes no sense to me. Are any of us actually believing UND isn't preparing?

You can say it is on the players, and it is, but at some point the players need to be held accountable.  You wouldn't want to cross Gino, Blais, Hakstol, or even Eades by lack of effort, but I don't think Berry has that kind of presence.  What absolutely dumbfounds me is when your team hasn't won a tournament game in forever, and you have the lead going into the third against Michigan, only to come out and be outworked.  When all the fans know that in a one and done, you can't have a few shifts off, nevermind a whole period, I don't know how they can't get that concept through to the players. 

[siouxkid12]

16 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Without a discussion of how a team is getting "outcoached", this is the stuff that holds no merit. I'm honestly not directly singling you out, I'm really not, but this has no basis in fact, it's just opinion. This belief is driven by the recent lack of success in NCAA. I get that. But I don't think I've ever heard a logical reasoning why Bubs lost any of the games we're griping that he's responsible for. 

"Regularly beat by far inferior programs" is also not based in fact. UND consistently beats teams it should. You don't chalk a record that Bubs has by losing to losing to teams you should beat. 

Consistenly beats teams it should? Does losing to Augustana, Bemidji State, Arizona State, Penn State, US under 18 team TWICE, Canisius, Union and BARELY beating RMU ring a bell?

[Brim006]

5 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Again, come with reasonable facts other than "regularly beat by far inferior programs" or that our teams are being "outcoached". 

UND is 206-104-33 overall under Bubs. What do Blais and Hak have to do with it? Poor regular season records? It's insane to think we get regularly beat by far inferior programs. Has it happened? Yes. Has it cost us tournament bids? One time, specifically yes. Is it a regular occurrence? Not even close.

Dude, I am being civil. Don't bring nonsense in here like I'm a burner account. Come with real things to discuss. It's ok to have a different opinion, but saying things that have no merit brings nothing to the table. 

 

I'd argue every year they have missed the post season, it was due to a bad loss to a poor non-con team that killed their pairwise. 

A few listed below of Non-con only because I wouldn't consider any NCHC team inferior other than Miami at this point. 

Cansius😭, Bemidji State several years, Cornell, ASU, Mankato (maybe a stretch), Penn State, *Team USA x2*(just rubbing salt on the wound) *Augustana* 😭, Alaska Anch (bad tie), Goofs, Mich State (fall 2016 when they were awful), Union. 

[stoneySIOUX]

Just now, siouxkid12 said:

Consistenly beats teams it should? Does losing to Augustana, Bemidji State, Arizona State, Penn State, US under 18 team TWICE, Canisius, Union and BARELY beating RMU ring a bell?

Three of those are exhibitions and one of those is a win. Bubs has over 200 wins. C'mon.

[Goon]

11 minutes ago, Brim006 said:

What kind of record has he chalked? Even looking past his post season struggles (or lack of even making the post season) he also has a worse winning percentage than Hak and Blaise did. His poor regular season records, and habit of losing to far inferior programs....is the exact reason his teams have missed the post season so often. I'm on the very easy side of this disagreement lol. Are you Berry's burner account? 

 

 

Dave Hakstol 289-143-43 (.654) 0 NCAA titles

Brad Berry 217-111-34 (.646) 1 NCAA title 

Dean Blais 262-115-33 (.679) 2 NCAA titles 

Just now, stoneySIOUX said:

Three of those are exhibitions and one of those is a win. Bubs has over 200 wins. C'mon.

 

[siouxkid12]

1 minute ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Three of those are exhibitions and one of those is a win. Bubs has over 200 wins. C'mon.

exhibitions or not, those should be games that are won. I am curious though, out of the three exhibition games, which one that I listed did they win? Wasn't Augustana, Arizona State, Penn State or the US under 18 team.

[Goon]

3 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Three of those are exhibitions and one of those is a win. Bubs has over 200 wins. C'mon.

Honestly, why are some grinding on about losing an exhibition game? Holy S*&^* !!!

[siouxkid12]

3 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Three of those are exhibitions and one of those is a win. Bubs has over 200 wins. C'mon.

Yes, he has 200 wins, but you said that they consistently beat teams they should. Looking at the past records shows they haven't beaten teams they should, exhibition or not. He has lost games against non-conference opponents that have cost us a tournament bid. 

[SJHovey]

I'm going to disagree with the idea that his teams always play bad in the NCAAs, except for year one.

In 2017 we absolutely dominated a BU team that was supposed to be unbeatable because of all of the #1 picks on the team.  I think we outshot them something like 60-30, and lost only because we got jobbed on a horrible offsides call.

In 2021, I thought the team played very well against UMD, given the fact that UND had to play the first round game and UMD got to rest because Michigan did what Michigan hockey does best, quit.

Last year's Michigan team was a very good team, and I did not think we were outplayed in that game.  Yeah, it sucks to lose it in the third, but the team came ready to play.

[stoneySIOUX]

22 minutes ago, Brim006 said:

Emphasis on the regular season...but only within conference play yes. I'd agree his regular season record within the best conference has been good. But his regular season record against non-con teams has been poor and is the sole reason for his struggles. Those are the pairwise killer games that have snubbed their post season chances essentially every other year, and nearly held them out another year or 2. If they had won more of those, they would have made the tournament more often and would have essentially doubled his chances to get further within the tournament. BUT...losing to Cansius, Bemidji State, Cornell, ASU, Mankato, Penn State, *Team USA x2*, *Augustana*, Alaska Anch, Goofs, Mich State, Union during the regular season has been the reason they have been left out so often lately. 

Uh, no. 

UND is 62-26-14 in non-con under Berry. I can go season by season, if you'd like. Some are certainly better than others, but he's had one true under .500 non-con team.

8 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

Yes, he has 200 wins, but you said that they consistently beat teams they should. Looking at the past records shows they haven't beaten teams they should, exhibition or not. He has lost games against non-conference opponents that have cost us a tournament bid. 

No. See above.

[siouxkid12]

3 minutes ago, Goon said:

Honestly, why are some grinding on about losing an exhibition game? Holy S*&^* !!!

Honestly, why are some people okay with mediocrity? You are obviously okay with losing.

[stoneySIOUX]

10 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

exhibitions or not, those should be games that are won. I am curious though, out of the three exhibition games, which one that I listed did they win? Wasn't Augustana, Arizona State, Penn State or the US under 18 team.

RMU. They swept RMU. Auggie was an exhibition. So were the US Under 18 games. 

[stoneySIOUX]

2 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

Honestly, why are some people okay with mediocrity? You are obviously okay with losing.

Because it's an exhibition. It doesn't matter.

[siouxkid12]

1 minute ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Uh, no. 

UND is 62-26-14 in non-con. I can go season by season, if you'd like. Some are certainly better than others, but he's had one true under .500 non-con team.

No. See above.

Pretty sure it was the loss on Oct 12 against Bemidji State in 2018 that kept us out of the tournament.

[tnt]

2 minutes ago, Goon said:

Dave Hakstol 289-143-43 (.654) 0 NCAA titles

Brad Berry 217-111-34 (.646) 1 NCAA title 

Dean Blais 262-115-33 (.679) 2 NCAA titles 

 

   Under two of those coaches my expectation was that we would win, or at least show up for big games.  Right now, when we get big games, destination games, WCHA Final Five games, my expectation is we will most likely be going home early.  I think our fanbase has gone from that of being confident of a win in those situations, to a resigned fanbase of being hopeful, but not very confident.   

   I admit some of our fans needed to be humbled a bit, because our cockiness was beginning to rival Minnesota's, but if it continues it may kill the golden goose which has had UND amongst the elite teams in college hockey.  We can't afford to fall off the face with the fans like Minnesota did for a while, because we don't have the corporate money.  We also can't afford missing out on the National media attention that deep runs in the National tournament gives teams.  Year in, and year out our team would be one of the teams always talked about as a title contender.  Not so much anymore.  I think you can see that in us not being in the top 3 or 4 teams for most of the guys that are Top Ten NHL draft prospects.   

[stoneySIOUX]

4 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

Pretty sure it was the loss on Oct 12 against Bemidji State in 2018 that kept us out of the tournament.

I'd argue our 18-17-2 record kept us out that year LOL. Pretty sure it was the now infamous Canisius weekend that truly was the nail in the coffin.

[siouxkid12]

2 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

RMU. They swept RMU. Auggie was an exhibition. So were the US Under 18 games. 

RMU is so far beneath UND in everything (hell they just brought the program last year after cutting it). Again, exhibition or not, those are games you shouldn't lose because they can set the tone for the whole year.

I will agree with you that I don't believe Berry should be fired though. Like you, I am afraid of what would happen to the program going forward. Will we see instant success, or will we be bottom dwellers?