Warrior41 Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 UND will benefit from a road win against USD, like Winona benefited from a road win against BSU. USD's winning percentage (.700+) is inflated by playing NAIA, D3 and weak nonconference D2 schools, so it sort of works itself out in the end. Remember, Winona gets penalized in many ways because of playing in the NSIC, because their are so many poor teams there is less opportunity to get big points for beat teams with .500 or .700+ records. Remember UND will score a lot of points in the last couple of weeks, were Winona only has one game to score decent points. You'll be fine. Though I will say I find it amazing that so many are disgruntled by Winona. Winona is no longer a much inferior team to UND, remember you only beat Winona with less than a minute left at home. And "the Al" is arguably one of the toughest places to play in nation, so I guess I would be worried to have to actually play Winona on the road. The teams you should be most frustrated with are the Glaic teams. You smoke one and two of their top teams lose and stay in front of you. Though this will work itself out as well because the big hitters are starting to play one another. A very strong UND team has been $hitting shamrocks for years, you'll be just fine at the end of the year. Good Luck! Todd Burns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Though I will say I find it amazing that so many are disgruntled by Winona. Winona is no longer a much inferior team to UND, remember you only beat Winona with less than a minute left at home. And "the Al" is arguably one of the toughest places to play in nation, so I guess I would be worried to have to actually play Winona on the road. The teams you should be most frustrated with are the Glaic teams. You smoke one and two of their top teams lose and stay in front of you. Good Luck! Todd Burns <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think anyone is disgruntled about Winona. Just with the idea that somehow wins over Bemidji St. or Concordia St. Paul would possibly merit 14 points if common sense played any role in the process at all. Winona St. would probably still do well if it played a tougher schedule, but I can't say the same for anybody else in the NSIC. Winona St. is the only team in the NW region that will have a virtual bye into the playoffs every year unless one or more NSIC programs drastically improves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend334 Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 that is why we need to start playing NSIC teams IMO...guess we play Winona St. next year.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 that is why we need to start playing NSIC teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmrg74 Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 I'm sure you'll be happy to know that we're all Ferris fans now! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I bet you are. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Speaking solely to pick up the SSI points, plus to knock MTU and Saggy down a peg or 2 right fellas??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 I always wondered if I'd ever see a ranking as bs as this one. I don't really understand why we dropped in the polls after everyone above us lost and I really don't care to know what processes they smoked up to do it. What I did hear was that it was not really against the Sioux that they went down in the polls. Rather it is the NCC's wish not to hold a playoff game in Grand Forks, even if it would cost the league money. Don't know if that is close to the truth, but it seems to make sense with our win and everyone else's losses (some by huge margins). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggler Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 What I did hear was that it was not really against the Sioux that they went down in the polls. Rather it is the NCC's wish not to hold a playoff game in Grand Forks, even if it would cost the league money. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This is perhaps the single stupidest thing I have ever heard in my entire life. The NCC could very well hate UND with the greatest passion in the history of the world and they'd still want UND to host games. I don't know if the NCC gets a piece of the money that would be made for the game or not, but the simple fact that UND will/would be very tough to beat at home and therefore making it more likely that a NCC team would win the NC, the NCC would want UND to have games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 I don't think anyone has mentioned this beauty in this thread yet; check out the DII Route 66 poll at collegesportsreport.com. UND checks in at NUMBER EIGHTEEN, down from last week's NUMBER NINE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 I don't think anyone has mentioned this beauty in this thread yet; check out the DII Route 66 poll at collegesportsreport.com. UND checks in at NUMBER EIGHTEEN, down from last week's NUMBER NINE! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well !@$! lets quit WINNING! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Here's a crazy idea that actually might work. Get rid of the "Regional Rankings." A team shouldn't get penalized/rewarded of where they are located within the United States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggler Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Here's a crazy idea that actually might work. Get rid of the "Regional Rankings." A team shouldn't get penalized/rewarded of where they are located within the United States. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Didn't it used to be like this and then it changed when USD played NDSU for the NC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisonfan1234 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 I don't see anything wrong with that. Seed the best 16 teams in the country and let them go at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxFan4Life Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 I don't see anything wrong with that. Seed the best 16 teams in the country and let them go at it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I totally agree..Also helps teams play teams they havent played before.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FlorenceFan Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Here's that ABSOLUTE worst scenario for this year.... Albany St. wins the SE...shouldn't happen, but you never know Plays NE whomever.....NE wins the regional semi. National Championship game is 91-0. I don't care who the NW/SW rep is, this is what would happen in this situation. I'm not sure how I feel about the 6 team/region system, even though UNA might have to take advantage of that to even make the playoffs this year. One thing I'm dead set against is the earned access rule, with the conference winner getting an automatic if ranked in the top 10 in the region...that may or may not make them in the top 40 in the country. I'd be all for taking the top 16, seeding and playing, and let's see who truly is the best team. Bottom line, the best team at the time should win the championship..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Here's that ABSOLUTE worst scenario for this year.... Albany St. wins the SE...shouldn't happen, but you never know Plays NE whomever.....NE wins the regional semi. National Championship game is 91-0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redarmy Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Just go Division 1-AA, so the Sioux don't have to worry about regional rankings. Abviously Division II is a joke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethanm Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 I would think the Sioux would move up in the rankings with both Grand Valley and St. Cloud losing (although I think UNO could jump UND). Winona's position couldn't have been helped by beating Moorhead. I would think that MTU and Northwood would be 1 and 2 in the next poll, and it seems like it's possible that they could end the season with the top two seeds. This weeks results: 1 Michigan Tech beat #9 Ferris 28-6 2 St. Cloud lost to #7 UNO 28-13 3 Northwood beat #4 GVSU 35-14 4 Grand Valley lost to #3 Northwood 35-14 5 Winona State beat MSU-Moorhead 42-0 6 North Dakota beat MSU-Mankato 20-3 7 Nebraska-Omaha beat #2 SCSU 28-13 8 Saginaw Valley beat N. Mich. 42-7 9 Ferris State lost to #1 MTU 28-6 10 South Dakota beat Upper IA 45-12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2Bad1 Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 I could see MTU -1, Northwood-2, and UND-3. I think UND will end up #3 if they win out. MTU and Northwood would have to lose in order for UND to finish 1 or 2 but i dont see that happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 I'm pretty sure UNO won't jump over UND since UND's SSI is still higher, and obviously they have one more loss. I believe this week it will be 1. Mich. Tech; 2. Northwood; 3. Winona St.; 4. UND. I had been concerned that even if the Sioux somehow managed to win out, they wouldn't be able to jump over Winona St., at least in SSI. However, UND got potentially a big break yesterday when Concordia-St. Paul lost again. That means that when Winona St. presumably beats them in two weeks, it will be a 12-point game rather than a 14-point game since Concordia will likely finish with an under .700 winning percentage. UND should be no lower than 3 IF they could win the last two. Actually, I believe UND could rise all the way to 2 if Michigan Tech were to lose to either Saginaw Valley at home, or to Grand Valley State at the Big House. EDIT: I see Jim has updated his regional rankings estimator, and SCSU is still in the top 4, at number 4. If that is the case, I suspect there will be a pretty big uproar for the second week in a row over the regional rankings. It seems inconceivable that a 2-loss team who didn't even play a particularly difficult non-conference schedule (UMC, Wayne St., Northern St. and West. Wash.) could be ahead of UND, or UNO for that matter. The manner in which the SSI is calculated is really looking like a joke right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snaggles Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Other interesting games were Delta beating Harding 48-14. It's good to see Delta get to .500 after a couple of tough losses. They should at split there remaining two games as they play 2-5 Ouachita Baptist and 6-3 Arkansas-Monticello. Central Wash. beat Humbolt St. 13-3 to make them 5-4. There remaining games are against 5-3 Western Wash. and 1-6 Western Org. After Ferris loss to Tech they are 6-3 with games left against 8-1 Northwood and 6-2 Saginaw. I doubt they can win both and bring their percentage to .700. And Mesa, well they got beat by Fort Hayes 17-9, and are now 0-9, what a joke. Delta and C.W. should both finish .500 so that is good news I guess. But, it all comes down to Omaha. That's scary. Anyone think we have a chance to make playoffs if we lose to Omaha? I don't because I can't see them taking 3 from the NCC. We would however, get decent points even losing to Omaha on the road and beating S.D. at home. Do they strictly go by points for the top six in region or would other things come into play, like not letting 3 from the NCC in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Other interesting games were Delta beating Harding 48-14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD17 Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 I ran through a few different scenarios last night and I think that if UND wins out, they probably get the 3rd seed. If the Sioux lose to UNO, I still think it's likely that UND gets in as probably a 6 seed (provided that they beat USD). Other things to watch that could help the Sioux: -Delta State needs to keep winning. They got back to .500 last week and *should* win their last two games. -Saginaw Valley and Grand Valley both have to play Michigan Tech and SV has to play at Ferris State. I think the chances of both of the Valleys winning out are pretty slim. -Central Washington beating Western Washington on Saturday. A CWU win assures them of finishing .500 or better (which helps the Sioux) and a WWU loss assures them of finishing below .700 (which hurts both UNO and SCSU). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior41 Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 Jim is your ssi correct for Northwood? It looks like you gave them 13 pts for a loss on the road? I thought the only game that scored 13pts was a win at home to a team with a winning percentage above .700? Sorry I can't find the ncaa pt schedule I had... Edit: Forget it, it says 8 pts, I'm not sure were 13 come from...sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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