Question about changing the nickname and logo

[The Sicatoka]

Are you sure that's what it means?

A fairly reputable source would disagree.

http://siouxsports.com/forums/index.php?sh...indpost&p=44780

[Sioux-cia]

Are you sure that's what it means?

A fairly reputable source would disagree.

http://siouxsports.com/forums/index.php?sh...indpost&p=44780

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I don't know what it means. I'm only repeating what I was told by a Native American Elder. He didn't have an opinion about the Fighting Sioux logo. He said it didn't affect his life in any way at all.

[The Sicatoka]

Read the whole post linked to.

An expert in native languages says it doesn't mean that.

[Sioux-cia]

Read the whole post linked to.

An expert in native languages says it doesn't mean that.

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Thanks, I did read the whole article what he has written is not definitive. The expert states Sioux does not mean snake; to the Native American gentleman I spoke with, Sioux means 'Snake in the Grass'. Therein lies the rub my friend. That is why this issue is so controversal. But, I believe that as long as we have the Ralph, we will remain the Fighting Sioux.

[The Sicatoka]

I perceive that "Gopher" means "dirty, rotten, cheap @##%&@#%!" Is that what Gopher means? (<--- That's rhetorical. )

People will always have their perceptions.

Fact and reality matter.

[CoteauRinkRat]

I don't know what it means.    I'm only repeating what I was told by a Native American Elder.  He didn't have an opinion about the Fighting Sioux logo. He said it didn't affect his life in any way at all.

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You don't happen to work for the Grand Forks Herald, do you?

[Goon]

Thanks, I did read the whole article what he has written is not definitive. The expert states Sioux does not mean snake; to the Native American gentleman I spoke with, Sioux means 'Snake in the Grass'. Therein lies the rub my friend. That is why this issue is so controversal. But, I believe that as long as we have the Ralph, we will remain the Fighting Sioux.

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These so called educated idiots can sit and pontificate about the name but they really don't have any power to change it. I am not so sure the NCAA can make anyone change their name.

[Sioux-cia]

I perceive that "Gopher" means "dirty, rotten, cheap @##%&@#%!" Is that what Gopher means? (<--- That's rhetorical. )

People will always have their perceptions.

Fact and reality matter.

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Of course "Gopher " means "dirty, rotten, cheap, @##%@#%!" . No one in our community questions that definition. In some Native American communities, "Sioux" means "Snake in the Grass". I guess that means their fact and reality is our fiction . No, I don't work for the GF Herald. I don't live in a tunnel either .

[Wreckincrew]

I still have to vote for my favorite: The Raging Reds. 

But wouldn't that take all of the joy out of "Better dead then RED!".

I won't even mention the red and green uniforms, yuck!

[Jack Mickleson]

I love Ralph's idea of putting the logo all over the arena. If they want to change it, that would take some work!!

[GrahamKracker]

I love Ralph's idea of putting the logo all over the arena.  If they want to change it, that would take some work!!

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If "they" want to change it? If and when change comes, it will be at everyone's expense, not just who you are referring to as "they". And besides bigger structures have came down for world peace....i.e. the Berlin Wall, Slavery, etc.

Do you really think that when the name changes that the teams at UND will lose respect or be less? If so, then maybe you need to come out of your hole and see that racist mascots are changing every month around the country.

And for a point of clarification:

A) All but one of the Sioux Tribes have resolutions calling for an end to the use of the name.

B) If you are honoring the Lakota/Dakota/Nakota people, how? By having some paid singers and dancers during intermission? By that little spew at the beginning of each game? As a member of the Lakota Oyate I can tell you right now that you are not honoring the community or the Indigeous people of the area with this logo.

peace

[UND92,96]

[Siouxper Kev]

[dakotadan]

And besides bigger structures have came down for world peace....i.e. the Berlin Wall, Slavery, etc.

Woahhh, I don't think it is quite that drastic. So you're saying if we tear down UND's hockey arena there will be world peace?!?!

If so, then maybe you need to come out of your hole and see that racist mascots are changing every month around the country.

Maybe you need to come out of your hole and realize that the University of North Dakota does NOT have a mascot.

If you are honoring the Lakota/Dakota/Nakota people, how?

[dakotadan]

P.S. You forgot to mention that UND has more Native American programs than any University in the nation. They began construction this spring already on a new Native American services center.

[iramurphy]

[fightonsioux]

Those "paid singers" are at almost all the hockey games. I see them there with their SIOUX jersey's on.

Erik Enno is/was a volunteer coach for the SIOUX basketball team.

I'm just glad that when people here Hitler and Nazi they won't think of Ralph anymore, instead the names Russell Means and Jeff Weise will come to mind.

[GrahamKracker]

Blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah....

I think its so funny that you are bit on this, like the coward wasicu's you are. I'm just pointing out the facts to you all. And on the record, I do know the history behind this issue. Maybe it is you all that need to get educated on this issue, and I'm not talking about listening to Erik Enno who claims to be a Lakota that's enrolled in Turtle Mtn.... he's not enrolled in a Sioux tribe, so why does he claim it?

Look at the facts, and if you want, I can point them out to you again and again and again....as long as it takes to get through your skulls.

-The Sioux Nation does not want your honor. I can back this up by countless resolutions, not just by what I'm saying (God knows all you base your information on is gossip, not going to the source)

-Countless resolutions have been passed here, even by University Senate, calling for an end to the name issue.

-This FS name at this institution was started in 1930, not 1940, or 38' or whatever you all think. I have the documents to prove it.

-Look at the facts before you type away, not just what the media tells you or what Erik "Taspan" Enno has to say.

If any of you have the courage to walk your talk, come on over to Student Senate on Sunday night, 6pm, I'll be there supporting a bill against your Arena.

Did you see the Fighting Sioux on Saturday, during the elite 8 tourney? I did, we were carrying the Flags for the protest, Enrolled Sioux Veterans, the only ones who can lay claim to the name used here on this campus.

Type away, don't blow a blood vessel because you try so desperately to find Honor, Courage, Strength in a name that we the Sioux people own.

Oh yeah, that picture that was used on this website, of Tatanka Iyotake, you can thank me for getting that taken off, too, because if not, I'm sure we could find a way to shut down Mr. Dahl and this racist message board in a heartbeat. Ho hetche to yelo.

[The Sicatoka]

Mr. Enno is Chippewa, and thus enrolled at Turtle Mountain. I believe his spouse is Sioux. What is your response to Greg Holy Bull, a Lakota Sioux man and supporter of the name?

I assume you mean "wasicu" in a pure adjective, unbiased, unbigoted way. I'm sure you intend it in the same manner in which you refer to yourself as "Kracker."

And howling won't change anything.

"Asked if high school and college teams should stop using Indian nicknames, 81% of Native American respondents said no."

Source: Peter Harris Research Group, Inc., as reported in Sports Illustrated, March 4, 2002, page 69.

Methodology: The pollsters interviewed 351 Native Americans (217 living on reservations, 134 living off). The responses were weighted according to US census figures for age, race, gender, and the distribution of Native Americans living on and off reservations.

Margin of error: Plus or minus 4 percent.

[Northcountry]

You spew all this vile and then have the balls to call me a racist? It's no wonder YOU are insulted by the use of the Sioux name, as insults seem to be the currency you trade in. A few years ago I asked the anti-nickname advocates to do the research and document that changing a name at ANY institution has had ANY measureable impact on ANY of the real issues confronting American Indians - I am still waiting.

[GrahamKracker]

I'm not howling Sica, just telling it like it is.

I was born a Lakota, live as a Lakota, and will die a Lakota, and not many on this campus work that way. They are born _____________, get a degree and call themselves "Sioux", then spend the rest of the time fighting to lay claim to that name.

I've been on this campus for 4 years, and I still see the way that Natives are belittled, treated w/ disrespect, and pushed aside, just because we are asking for the same treatment of everyone else. I' tired of this University claiming its honoring our people. When will they ever get the point that they are not Sioux?

All we are asking for is to be treated equal, nothing more, nothing less. And if that requires taking down 8,000 Sioux heads in that arena, so be it.

And I'd appreciate it if there is no talk about Red Lake, or Casinos, or anything else of that nature. Those talks are not apart of this room, and if you want to complain, please come to 317 Cambridge and we can talk. We are talking about the Sioux Name in here...not anything else.

Nake Nula Waun. Hetche to.

[ESPNInsider]

Why is it that the entire Lakota tribe is not out protesting the use of the name? I would think that if it was that bad they all would get out and let their voices be heard rather then just a small few doing so.

As for your name, I could care less if you use the handle "kracker" I have never really gotten into the whole racial thing, I guess if the use of the name is something you want to fight about then all the power to you.

I graduated from UND and have never said I was a "Sioux" I have said that I went to UND, or that I'm from North Dakota but why would I tell anyone I am a Sioux, they would look at me like I was an idiot (I'm pale as a ghost)!

As for you being treated unequally at UND I can't say wether you are or not, but I know that I had many hard times there where I didn't feel I was treated fairly either but never complained that they were racist against Norwegian, german, Dutch, french people. Maybe you have had experiences way different then mine where you can prove that it was just because you are a Native American that you were treated that way and if that is the truth then I feel very sorry for you as that is not fair at all.

I just wonder what these experiences were and if they were different then that of most other students at any university. I would hope not.

[UND92,96]

Blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah....

[fightonsioux]

I agree that Native Americans should be treated equally to the "white man".

Equally in taxation, equally in scholarships, equally in programs at UND, equally in getting into the nursing program, law program, etc., and equally in pay in the work force.

I have a friend who did not make the nursing program, but spots open for Native Americans only went to students with poorer grades.

I have a friend who couldn't get his masters from UND because only 5 people were accepted and 3 HAD to be Native Americans.

I get less pay then a Native American at my job, yet my responsibilities and my time here are more.

It seems it's acceptable and not racist for a "white man" to be treated differently because of skin, but it is not acceptable and racist for anyone else.

Uff-da. Uff-da. Uff-da

[ESPNInsider]

Uff-da. Uff-da. Uff-da

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