BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 2016 - 2017 school Revenue / Expenses 112 UND $28,201,349 / $26,727,343 115 NDSU $27,267,507 / $28,124,505 http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted June 29, 2018 Author Share Posted June 29, 2018 UND Revenues since 2006 YEAR TICKET SALES CONTRIBUTIONS RIGHTS / LICENSING STUDENT FEES SCHOOL FUNDS OTHER TOTAL REVENUES 2017 $4,551,261 $4,029,864 $4,512,681 $3,507,690 $9,726,069 $1,873,784 $28,201,349 2016 $4,520,724 $3,167,902 $3,001,227 $3,341,123 $8,589,810 $2,259,233 $24,880,019 2015 $4,298,043 $3,696,937 $3,159,096 $3,259,632 $7,343,918 $2,530,149 $24,287,775 2014 $4,296,792 $3,428,740 $1,911,649 $3,143,330 $10,213,919 $821,440 $23,815,870 2013 $4,078,364 $3,492,414 $1,562,944 $3,031,177 $7,944,846 $2,050,563 $22,160,308 2012 $3,889,681 $3,108,472 $1,074,967 $3,328,160 $5,936,899 $2,051,750 $19,389,929 2011 $3,777,153 $3,180,929 $1,189,495 $3,300,444 $5,701,923 $1,566,220 $18,716,164 2010 $3,576,178 $3,447,921 $1,111,392 $3,099,627 $5,291,635 $1,670,737 $18,197,490 2009 $3,465,362 $2,608,953 $834,639 $2,895,691 $4,810,761 $1,446,856 $16,062,262 2008 $3,823,452 $1,833,804 $1,216,976 $1,948,138 $3,510,013 $1,136,858 $13,469,241 2007 $3,503,718 $2,149,221 $1,188,555 $1,097,638 $2,979,478 $1,277,049 $12,195,659 2006 $3,301,439 $1,669,688 $2,109,197 $1,007,007 $2,845,772 $1,116,682 $12,049,785 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted June 29, 2018 Author Share Posted June 29, 2018 UND Expenses since 2006 YEAR COACHING / STAFF SCHOLARSHIPS FACILITIES / OVERHEAD OTHER TOTAL EXPENSES 2017 $7,518,995 $5,332,244 $4,121,672 $9,754,432 $26,727,343 2016 $7,492,890 $4,649,941 $3,097,156 $11,087,890 $26,327,877 2015 $7,068,007 $4,272,016 $2,833,846 $10,121,709 $24,295,578 2014 $6,528,909 $3,883,398 $2,800,934 $10,723,488 $23,936,729 2013 $5,869,534 $3,823,465 $2,818,522 $9,565,629 $22,077,150 2012 $5,751,748 $3,392,156 $2,335,473 $8,594,005 $20,073,382 2011 $5,483,195 $3,074,957 $2,268,298 $7,769,281 $18,595,731 2010 $5,003,226 $2,900,016 $2,174,575 $7,933,663 $18,011,480 2009 $4,646,607 $2,551,112 $2,066,379 $6,384,803 $15,648,901 2008 $3,891,839 $1,834,560 $2,057,620 $5,630,204 $13,414,223 2007 $3,394,330 $1,825,385 $1,979,251 $4,824,373 $12,023,339 2006 $3,210,368 $1,598,264 $2,011,057 $5,220,006 $12,039,695 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted June 29, 2018 Author Share Posted June 29, 2018 All data in 1st 4 posts of this thread are from USA Today /NCAA Finances Rank School Conference Revenue Expenses 2016-17 25 Minnesota Big Ten $116,376,862 $114,201,678 112 North Dakota Big Sky $28,201,349 $26,727,343 113 Illinois State Mo. Valley $27,852,407 $25,144,172 114 Wichita State Mo. Valley $27,791,259 $26,182,954 115 N Dakota State Summit $27,267,507 $28,124,505 116 Montana Big Sky $27,192,240 $21,206,839 118 Missouri St Mo. Valley $26,374,654 $26,374,654 127 Idaho Big Sky $23,825,002 $22,817,285 129 Neb-Omaha Summit $22,956,239 $20,261,523 130 Southern Illinois MoValley $22,722,740 $26,785,157 131 South Dakota St Summit $22,075,310 $20,880,295 132 Montana State Big Sky $21,927,521 $20,768,973 141 Northern Iowa Mo. Valley $19,497,119 $18,375,024 143 South Dakota Summit $19,256,962 $18,904,718 147 Northern Arizona Big Sky $18,353,486 $18,511,105 155 Northern Colorado BigSky $17,289,706 $15,905,651 191 Idaho State Big Sky $13,228,486 $13,245,509 203 Western Illinois Summit $11,944,035 $13,027,183 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted June 29, 2018 Author Share Posted June 29, 2018 With UND cutting some sports and joining the Summit and MVFC in 2020, going forward, we may be more in line with the SD's and Montana's of the previous post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Revenue won’t change much as most sports that were cut were non revenue i expect expenses to go down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 14 minutes ago, gfhockey said: Revenue won’t change much as most sports that were cut were non revenue i expect expenses to go down Football revenue will grow a ton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 I always raise an eyebrow when "other" is the largest amount, how does one get that broken down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted June 29, 2018 Author Share Posted June 29, 2018 31 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said: I always raise an eyebrow when "other" is the largest amount, how does one get that broken down? Was that mostly from recruiting in Europe for WH? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 More than doubling scholarship dollars since 2009 is huge. We need all sports fully funded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsh Hall Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 1 hour ago, geaux_sioux said: Football revenue will grow a ton. What component of football revenue will increase significantly? I'm surprised by the ticket revenue being so low. NDSU's ticket sales were over $1,000,000 more than UND, and UND had 21 home hockey games last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Is only 48% of UND's ticket revenue recognized in these reports? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted June 29, 2018 Author Share Posted June 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said: Is only 48% of UND's ticket revenue recognized in these reports? 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, Walsh Hall said: What component of football revenue will increase significantly? I'm surprised by the ticket revenue being so low. NDSU's ticket sales were over $1,000,000 more than UND, and UND had 21 home hockey games last year. There are still many empty seats to be filled at the Alerus. According to @Oxbow6‘s math which has been verified as “fuzzy” it can grow by 25% to reach capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted June 29, 2018 Author Share Posted June 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: There are still many empty seats to be filled at the Alerus. About 2,000 avg attendance short of sellouts. Plus if we start selling out, media rights will increase with higher demands from the public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Even just when the 2017-18 numbers come in, they should be quite higher for ticket revenue. Increased prices in hockey and an extra 1,500 people per game at the Alerus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted June 29, 2018 Author Share Posted June 29, 2018 1 hour ago, 90siouxfan said: I always raise an eyebrow when "other" is the largest amount, how does one get that broken down? The revenue column that raises Kennedy's eyebrow in these challenging financial times is "School Funds". Where are the concession $, parking fees, etc; or is there an accounting misfire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: The revenue column that raises Kennedy's eyebrow in these challenging financial times is "School Funds". Where are the concession $, parking fees, etc; or is there an accounting misfire. With the REA and Alerus... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 So the money that UND has paid to the REA has went from $1.7 million to nearly $2.4 million for ticket revenue only (completely excluding box office and other fees) and people are up in arms about Kennedy wanting to renegotiate the usage agreement..... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 4 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: UND Expenses since 2006 YEAR COACHING / STAFF SCHOLARSHIPS FACILITIES / OVERHEAD OTHER TOTAL EXPENSES 2017 $7,518,995 $5,332,244 $4,121,672 $9,754,432 $26,727,343 2016 $7,492,890 $4,649,941 $3,097,156 $11,087,890 $26,327,877 2015 $7,068,007 $4,272,016 $2,833,846 $10,121,709 $24,295,578 2014 $6,528,909 $3,883,398 $2,800,934 $10,723,488 $23,936,729 2013 $5,869,534 $3,823,465 $2,818,522 $9,565,629 $22,077,150 2012 $5,751,748 $3,392,156 $2,335,473 $8,594,005 $20,073,382 2011 $5,483,195 $3,074,957 $2,268,298 $7,769,281 $18,595,731 2010 $5,003,226 $2,900,016 $2,174,575 $7,933,663 $18,011,480 2009 $4,646,607 $2,551,112 $2,066,379 $6,384,803 $15,648,901 2008 $3,891,839 $1,834,560 $2,057,620 $5,630,204 $13,414,223 2007 $3,394,330 $1,825,385 $1,979,251 $4,824,373 $12,023,339 2006 $3,210,368 $1,598,264 $2,011,057 $5,220,006 $12,039,695 Would like to see this broke down to different sports.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, jdub27 said: So the money that UND has paid to the REA has went from $1.7 million to nearly $2.4 million and people are up in arms about Kennedy wanting to renegotiate the usage agreement..... Is this information posted in the this thread in the first few posts, from your personal archives, or elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 14 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said: Is this information posted in the this thread in the first few posts, from your personal archives, or elsewhere? Assuming the current agreement was in place in 2006, which was after the Betty was built and has been stated hasn't been changed over the years, those number represent 52% of ticket revenues between 2006 and 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said: Would like to see this broke down to different sports.... Good luck finding an accurate account of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: Good luck finding an accurate account of that. lol, i have trouble finding many things, this seems above my means, desires, and capabilities. but I sure would find it interesting if someone did the leg work, even better if could be verifiable. skeptic curmudgeon on display, get off my lawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 1 hour ago, 90siouxfan said: Would like to see this broke down to different sports.... It is available, however there is many millions that are allocated under "general" funds and even the numbers that are allocated to each sport are suspect at best as there is no exact science or method for collegiate athletics accounting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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