darell1976 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Blackheart said: that's Downvote Darrell! That little red arrow really bugs you. I guess DamStraight doing the same thing makes him in line for the same nickname “downvote”. I will stop if it will make you put the tide pod down and back away from the ledge. It will be okay. You can do a happy dance when you get the green arrow or really get yourself off if someone hearts your post. Quote
Siouxphan27 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 On 5/11/2018 at 10:20 PM, NoiseInsideMyHead said: I'm willing to bet you're not nearly as emotionally invested in your clients' businesses. Changes things a little bit. Not saying you're not entitled to an opinion, but the FH logo did garner some high praise from unbiased sources. I'm too lazy to look, but it ranked pretty highly on a well-regarded, published list of new designs. I would be curious to see which unbiased sources ranked it high. I recall reading on here a few months ago it won an award given out, but it was an award within SME. Which is sorta like my mom saying my 5th grade art class drawings were really really good. Quote
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 8 hours ago, petey23 said: Yep. I am the only person who thinks are logo is garbage. You win. You still don't get it. You followed the words "my opinion" with "objective standard." Does that not seem the least bit contradictory? News flash -- your opinion is the very definition of subjectivity. That's what it means. 1 Quote
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Siouxphan27 said: I would be curious to see which unbiased sources ranked it high. I recall reading on here a few months ago it won an award given out, but it was an award within SME. Which is sorta like my mom saying my 5th grade art class drawings were really really good. Definitely not internal. It was some design trade mag or something. It's on here for someone who wants to go digging. Quote
Oxbow6 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said: You still don't get it. You followed the words "my opinion" with "objective standard." Does that not seem the least bit contradictory? News flash -- your opinion is the very definition of subjectivity. That's what it means. Do you work in the area of graphic design of logos and the such? Didn't think so. Petey, on this topic, is far more knowledgeable than me and you. His opinion in this field, which is his expertise, is an objective standard based on his business in the region he works, designs and sells. If his objective standard was trash, like the logo, his business wouldn't be in business anymore. Quote
Siouxphan27 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said: Definitely not internal. It was some design trade mag or something. It's on here for someone who wants to go digging. I've read every nickname discussion on here and don't recall anything other than the SME self congratulatory award. Maybe Darell can investigate. Quote
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: Do you work in the area of graphic design of logos and the such? Didn't think so. Petey, on this topic, is far more knowledgeable than me and you. His opinion in this field, which is his expertise, is an objective standard based on his business in the region he works, designs and sells. If his objective standard was trash, like the logo, his business wouldn't be in business anymore. Now you're just sounding silly. In no version of reality is the reaction to art even remotely capable of being 'objective.' Art is subjective. 1 1 Quote
UND1983 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 Alright logo snobs, where is the example that would have been a runaway hit for all alumni and fans? Quote
darell1976 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 55 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: Do you work in the area of graphic design of logos and the such? Didn't think so. Petey, on this topic, is far more knowledgeable than me and you. His opinion in this field, which is his expertise, is an objective standard based on his business in the region he works, designs and sells. If his objective standard was trash, like the logo, his business wouldn't be in business anymore. Does he call you dad? Or are you the crazy uncle. Quote
darell1976 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 25 minutes ago, UND1983 said: Alright logo snobs, where is the example that would have been a runaway hit for all alumni and fans? You must say “that hit cannot be the Fighting Sioux logo”. Quote
darell1976 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 57 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said: I've read every nickname discussion on here and don't recall anything other than the SME self congratulatory award. Maybe Darell can investigate. I don’t need to investage I don’t doubt his claim. Quote
Oxbow6 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 52 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said: Now you're just sounding silly. In no version of reality is the reaction to art even remotely capable of being 'objective.' Art is subjective. Business decisions are objective. Petey's business happens to be based in art. His "objective" opinion must mess pretty well with his customer's "subjective" opinions........but as usual you know best! Quote
Oxbow6 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 20 minutes ago, darell1976 said: Does he call you dad? Or are you the crazy uncle. Neither.........he's extremely successful at what he does. I'll defer to him on this topic........not to you and your continued nauseatingly drivel. Just because you stay within the lines with your crayons doesn't make you remotely quaified in this area. 1 Quote
UND1983 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Oxbow6 said: Business decisions are objective. Petey's business happens to be based in art. His "objective" opinion must mess pretty well with his customer's "subjective" opinions........but as usual you know best! No, Petey does. He is really good at art. Quote
Oxbow6 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, UND1983 said: No, Petey does. He is really good at art. Nice to see we can agree on something. Quote
Siouxphan27 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 2 hours ago, darell1976 said: I don’t need to investage I don’t doubt his claim. I'd love to see the proof because I know it's not on this website. Quote
darell1976 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Oxbow6 said: Neither.........he's extremely successful at what he does. I'll defer to him on this topic........not to you and your continued nauseatingly drivel. Just because you stay within the lines with your crayons doesn't make you remotely quaified in this area. I never said I was qualified in being an artist, but what’s the old saying one man’s garbage is another man’s treasure. Just because you hold his dick when he pees and agree with him on the logo being garbage doesn’t necessarily make it so. 1 Quote
darell1976 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Siouxphan27 said: I'd love to see the proof because I know it's not on this website. Like someone told me to do......Google it. Quote
Siouxphan27 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 29 minutes ago, darell1976 said: Like someone told me to do......Google it. I did. Spent more time looking than I care to admit. Found nothing. 1 Quote
jdub27 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Oxbow6 said: Do you work in the area of graphic design of logos and the such? Didn't think so. Petey, on this topic, is far more knowledgeable than me and you. His opinion in this field, which is his expertise, is an objective standard based on his business in the region he works, designs and sells. If his objective standard was trash, like the logo, his business wouldn't be in business anymore. Amazing SME has managed to keep the doors open let alone continue to pick up national contracts with some pretty impressive brands. 2 Quote
petey23 Posted May 13, 2018 Author Posted May 13, 2018 4 hours ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said: You still don't get it. You followed the words "my opinion" with "objective standard." Does that not seem the least bit contradictory? News flash -- your opinion is the very definition of subjectivity. That's what it means. Correct. 2 different sentences. My opinion happens to agree with the objective opinions of the vast majority regarding our unfortunate logo. Quote
Oxbow6 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 35 minutes ago, petey23 said: Correct. 2 different sentences. My opinion happens to agree with the objective opinions of the vast majority regarding our unfortunate logo. Well at least it is better than this one Darell submitted.......... 1 Quote
Oxbow6 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 37 minutes ago, jdub27 said: Amazing SME has managed to keep the doors open let alone continue to pick up national contracts with some pretty impressive brands. It is truly amazing isn't it? Quote
petey23 Posted May 13, 2018 Author Posted May 13, 2018 3 hours ago, UND1983 said: No, Petey does. He is really good at art. Petey is definitely not good at art, but does work with people who are. 1 Quote
darell1976 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Oxbow6 said: Well at least it is better than than this one Darell submitted.......... To be honest Edgewood, I took your drawing and passed it off as mine. Sorry it didn’t win. Quote
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