darell1976 Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 Only confirms Jones needs to go, even with this win. No adjustments, horrible defense, and just bad leadership/situational awareness. Just like the football/Mussman situation, Jones just isn't head coaching material. 100% agree!! #buttCIT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-1 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I don't think we beat the 7th, 10th and 12th place teams on the road last year with a much more experienced team. They had 4 road wins last season. MSU (9th), ISU (10th), EWU (7th) and NAU (4th). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopster Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Great Job last night. First 2 seasons in Big Sky UND was near the top of the league. His first 2 years in Big Sky Jones has 3rd best league record. Which is outstanding given that UND is located in the coldest climate in Big Sky and low level of D1 in state talent. The 3rd best Big Ten record the last 2 seasons is held by Mich. St. You do not see any morons calling for Izzo to be canned. UND like the vast majority of teams will go through rebuilding years ...that is the way things are and to suggest a coaches be fired for that is objectively ludicrous and there is no AD in the country which ascribes to such lame thinking. There are always a handful of trolls and or low IQ jerks complaining about a team not the best year in and year out. UND has no objective advantage over the majority of other Big Sky teams that would warrant the high level of league success they have obtained under Jones . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Count me as someone who is somewhere between these two opinions. 100% agree!! #buttCIT Great Job last night. First 2 seasons in Big Sky UND was near the top of the league. His first 2 years in Big Sky Jones has 3rd best league record. Which is outstanding given that UND is located in the coldest climate in Big Sky and low level of D1 in state talent. The 3rd best Big Ten record the last 2 seasons is held by Mich. St. You do not see any morons calling for Izzo to be canned. UND like the vast majority of teams will go through rebuilding years ...that is the way things are and to suggest a coaches be fired for that is objectively ludicrous and there is no AD in the country which ascribes to such lame thinking. There are always a handful of trolls and or low IQ jerks complaining about a team not the best year in and year out. UND has no objective advantage over the majority of other Big Sky teams that would warrant the high level of league success they have obtained under Jones . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 100% agree!! #buttCIT I thought you started your own thread to keep this stuff out of the gameday threads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bincitysioux Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Great Job last night. First 2 seasons in Big Sky UND was near the top of the league. His first 2 years in Big Sky Jones has 3rd best league record. Which is outstanding given that UND is located in the coldest climate in Big Sky and low level of D1 in state talent. The 3rd best Big Ten record the last 2 seasons is held by Mich. St. You do not see any morons calling for Izzo to be canned. UND like the vast majority of teams will go through rebuilding years ...that is the way things are and to suggest a coaches be fired for that is objectively ludicrous and there is no AD in the country which ascribes to such lame thinking. There are always a handful of trolls and or low IQ jerks complaining about a team not the best year in and year out. UND has no objective advantage over the majority of other Big Sky teams that would warrant the high level of league success they have obtained under Jones . I find the low expectations that you have for North Dakota basketball very bothersome. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Count me as somewhere between these two opinions. Ditto. IMO the overall body of work hasn't been poor enough to be let go, nor has it been good enough for any other school to try poach him away. Next year is crucial, however. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Great Job last night. First 2 seasons in Big Sky UND was near the top of the league. His first 2 years in Big Sky Jones has 3rd best league record. Which is outstanding given that UND is located in the coldest climate in Big Sky and low level of D1 in state talent. The 3rd best Big Ten record the last 2 seasons is held by Mich. St. You do not see any morons calling for Izzo to be canned. UND like the vast majority of teams will go through rebuilding years ...that is the way things are and to suggest a coaches be fired for that is objectively ludicrous and there is no AD in the country which ascribes to such lame thinking. There are always a handful of trolls and or low IQ jerks complaining about a team not the best year in and year out. UND has no objective advantage over the majority of other Big Sky teams that would warrant the high level of league success they have obtained under Jones . What this guy said! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Ditto. IMO the overall body of work hasn't been poor enough to be let go, nor has it been good enough for any other school to try poach him away. Next year is crucial, however. Pretty obvious reason there has been no extension talked about. But logic is no fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoSiouxFan Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Great Job last night. First 2 seasons in Big Sky UND was near the top of the league. His first 2 years in Big Sky Jones has 3rd best league record. Which is outstanding given that UND is located in the coldest climate in Big Sky and low level of D1 in state talent. The 3rd best Big Ten record the last 2 seasons is held by Mich. St. You do not see any morons calling for Izzo to be canned. UND like the vast majority of teams will go through rebuilding years ...that is the way things are and to suggest a coaches be fired for that is objectively ludicrous and there is no AD in the country which ascribes to such lame thinking. There are always a handful of trolls and or low IQ jerks complaining about a team not the best year in and year out. UND has no objective advantage over the majority of other Big Sky teams that would warrant the high level of league success they have obtained under Jones .Agree. We have a lot of new parts this season and it just takes time for a team with that many new parts to gel and find it'sidentity. Perhaps we are starting to see that now. Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopster Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I find the low expectations that you have for North Dakota basketball very bothersome Why because they are realistic and based on objective criteria ? ... Tyler logged 44 minutes and Hooker 40. Coleman is not meeting expectations , He comes into games and fires up a ill advised 3 and gets pulled....Coleman needs to listen to the staff and play within the system if he wants to get serious PT. As of now Seales will get serious minutes at the 3 next season although he is best suited to play guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I find the low expectations that you have for North Dakota basketball very bothersome. You call it low expectations. We call it rational thought. I am as unhappy as anyone when this team loses but choose to slap thought and logic as opposed to pitchforks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopster Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Ditto. IMO the overall body of work hasn't been poor enough to be let go, nor has it been good enough for any other school to try poach him away. Next year is crucial, however. Big Sky Head Coaches more likely to get canned than get HC at higher level. Really do not see Jones losing job as UND is first and foremost by an extremely wide margin a Hockey School. Mens BB is pretty much an after thought. Run a clean program, be competitive and have the lowest paid Head Coach and the status quo will more than suffice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 You call it low expectations. We call it rational thought. I am as unhappy as anyone when this team loses but choose to slap thought and logic as opposed to pitchforks. You realize he has been coaching here for 9 years, right? Some of us have followed the program closely for more than 20 years and it has not gotten any better in the last 9 years, as indicated by his record. Maybe next year will be better based on recruiting. I hope so because it's alot more fun when UND teams win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 You realize he has been coaching here for 9 years, right? Some of us have followed the program closely for more than 20 years and it has not gotten any better in the last 9 years, as indicated by his record. Maybe next year will be better based on recruiting. I hope so because it's alot more fun when UND teams win. I do realize that. There was also a d1 transition in there. Not gonna go into reasons as they have been covered ad nauseam in this forum. Program has a bright future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopster Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 You realize he has been coaching here for 9 years, right? Some of us have followed the program closely for more than 20 years and it has not gotten any better in the last 9 years, as indicated by his record. Maybe next year will be better based on recruiting. I hope so because it's alot more fun when UND teams win. Actually the last 2 years UND had 3 most wins in Big Sky that is the improvement pal. You must have forgot they were a D2 team 9 years ago...How many other Sky teams have gone to post season last 4 years troll??? No team improves every year for 9 straight years. wake up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDvince97-01 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Izzo. Same thing. Solid comparison. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Actually the last 2 years UND had 3 most wins in Big Sky that is the improvement pal. You must have forgot they were a D2 team 9 years ago...How many other Sky teams have gone to post season last 4 years troll??? No team improves every year for 9 straight years. wake up Nothing trolling about it, pal. Everything I said is fact, just like your's were. The team has not gotten better based on record. CIT appearances do nothing for any fan base. I guess I don't understand how having an 8-13 record is doing a "good" job. And a career record of 127-144 is "good" and deserving of zero criticism. Please explain why after 9 years everybody should be pleased with the results? (maybe throw in another comparison to Tom Izzo for us). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 Actually the last 2 years UND had 3 most wins in Big Sky that is the improvement pal. You must have forgot they were a D2 team 9 years ago...How many other Sky teams have gone to post season last 4 years troll??? No team improves every year for 9 straight years. wake up Troll? He made a point and you call him a troll. How about this point, the Big Sky as a whole was down so of course UND had the third most wins, if you look at the % it was at .500 overall (17-17) and he was 12-8 tied with Montana, and NAU, Omaha had a better record than UND last season and not only did they crush UND in the CIT but they are in transition. You may be in love with Jones but some of us aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 Great Job last night. First 2 seasons in Big Sky UND was near the top of the league. His first 2 years in Big Sky Jones has 3rd best league record. Which is outstanding given that UND is located in the coldest climate in Big Sky and low level of D1 in state talent. The 3rd best Big Ten record the last 2 seasons is held by Mich. St. You do not see any morons calling for Izzo to be canned. UND like the vast majority of teams will go through rebuilding years ...that is the way things are and to suggest a coaches be fired for that is objectively ludicrous and there is no AD in the country which ascribes to such lame thinking. There are always a handful of trolls and or low IQ jerks complaining about a team not the best year in and year out. UND has no objective advantage over the majority of other Big Sky teams that would warrant the high level of league success they have obtained under Jones . Tom Izzo, NCAA Championship (2000), 6 Final Fours, 7 Big 10 Championships, 4 Big 10 Tournament Championships, 2 NCAA Championship appearances, 8 Elite Eights, 12 Sweet 16 appearances, Head coach record 477-192 .713. Brian Jones, 1 NCC runner up (07-08), 4 CIT appearances, 126-143 record .468 Signature win vs NDSU Yep thats pretty much the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDvince97-01 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I'm not really sure how anyone that has been paying attention can say that the program has been anything other than mediocre at best. The trends point to more of the same under Jones in the future. The proof over his tenure is in the pudding. There's simply no argument there. Some people are content with that. Others aren't. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I think it might be a height issue with Jones. Some kind of Napoleon complex deal. I can only speculate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I think it might be a height issue with Jones. Some kind of Napoleon complex deal. I can only speculate. You nailed it. Its a height issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopster Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Troll? He made a point and you call him a troll. How about this point, the Big Sky as a whole was down so of course UND had the third most wins, if you look at the % it was at .500 overall (17-17) and he was 12-8 tied with Montana, and NAU, Omaha had a better record than UND last season and not only did they crush UND in the CIT but they are in transition. You may be in love with Jones but some of us aren't. Made a false point the team has not improved in 9 years... fact one of the best in Big Sky last 2 years ..only a troll or a nut job would not call that an improvement. ...Only a troll or a nut job would compare a D2 team to a D1 team...Only a troll or a nut job would co-mingle a Low D1 program's non conference record with conference records and use that as a basis for evaluating a program, because UND usually plays on the toughest non conference slates in the league ..it is called fund raising not trying to pad your record. Every AD in the Big Sky is much more concerned about making money in the non conference than hunting for winnable games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopster Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Tom Izzo, NCAA Championship (2000), 6 Final Fours, 7 Big 10 Championships, 4 Big 10 Tournament Championships, 2 NCAA Championship appearances, 8 Elite Eights, 12 Sweet 16 appearances, Head coach record 477-192 .713. Brian Jones, 1 NCC runner up (07-08), 4 CIT appearances, 126-143 record .468 Signature win vs NDSU Yep thats pretty much the same. Guess what Genius when was the last time more than one Big Sky team got in the Big Dance??? When was the last time only one Big Ten team got into the Big Dance.... The Silence is deafening and your point is bogus nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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