Dave Berger Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Since Union became the 20th men's team in the history of NCAA Division I ice hockey to win a national title, I thought I would go back and look at all twenty teams to hang the ultimate banner. I've ranked them all, and we begin today with #20 through #16... 20 Storied Programs: #20 through #16 Discuss. Dave Quote
fightingsioux08 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Really cool list, I'm excited to read the rest Just a suggestion for a list like this, maybe you should list the most notable players from each program as I'm sure having Brett Hull pushes Duluth past all the other one-time NCAA champions I like how this website discusses hockey all year long (more so than the big websites like USCHO ) Quote
Dave Berger Posted April 15, 2014 Author Posted April 15, 2014 Really cool list, I'm excited to read the rest Just a suggestion for a list like this, maybe you should list the most notable players from each program as I'm sure having Brett Hull pushes Duluth past all the other one-time NCAA champions I like how this website discusses hockey all year long (more so than the big websites like USCHO ) Great idea, I'll go back in and edit the list later today. Special section for Hobey winners, plus other notable alums. Dave Quote
MafiaMan Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Since Union became the 20th men's team in the history of NCAA Division I ice hockey to win a national title, I thought I would go back and look at all twenty teams to hang the ultimate banner. I've ranked them all, and we begin today with #20 through #16... 20 Storied Programs: #20 through #16 Discuss. Dave Great topic, but I'm surprised that I didn't see Minnesota in the 16-20 group. Quote
Fighting Sioux 23 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 What criteria are you using to rank these teams? I'm shocked that a program like Union has already jumped Yale in your rankings. Union vs. Yale - National Championships: Tied at 1 - Frozen Fours: Tied at 2 - NCAA Tournament Appearances: Yale - 6, Union - 4 - Regular Season Conference Titles: Tied at 3 - Conference Tournament Titles: Union - 3, Yale - 2 Through here, they are very similar, but looking more in depth... - All-Americans: Yale - 18, Union - 10 - Hobey Baker Finalists: Yale - 6, Union - 2 - All-Time Winning Percentage: Yale - 49.82%, Union - 44.98% - All-Time Victories: Yale - 1199, Union - 373 I would have Yale over Union...although depending on how you weight certain data it would be close. Again, I'd be very interested to see your criteria on how you got Union over Yale. Quote
fightingsioux08 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 In defense of the Union over Yale argeument, the 2014 Union championship teams was a lot more dominant than the 2013 Yale team....which should matter in this one-time champion arguement.... Union won their regular season and playoff conference championship and being undefeated since February I realize Yale beat 3 numbers 1's (and our Sioux) so their NCAA run was impressive, but I wouldn't say that about their regular season or conference playoffs but Hobey Baker finalists and All-Americans is interesting, (Dave please add that info too going forward) and that brings up the fact in the age difference in the programs as 18 All-Americans vs 10 seems like a big deal but 18 All-Americans in ???years* of the Yale hockey program vs 10 All-Americans in 23 years of Union hockey program shows that Union has more dominant talent in their time frame (or not have as many "low talent times" as Yale) *looking at Yale's history online it looks like their program is the oldest one dating back to 1893....so I have no idea how long they are officially recognized in the NCAA stats book as being an official team. They fact that they are so old should help them in the rankings though Quote
MafiaMan Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Dave, I'd like to see a discussion of the jersey-rankings of the 20 NCAA champions. Please get to work on that too. Personally, I think the Lake Superior State jerseys are awfully tough to beat, but the 1987 Sioux might give them a run. 1 Quote
Siouxperfan7 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Too early to make predictions for the Top 5? I think the top 3 are pretty obvious!! Quote
Dave Berger Posted April 15, 2014 Author Posted April 15, 2014 What criteria are you using to rank these teams? I'm shocked that a program like Union has already jumped Yale in your rankings. Union vs. Yale - National Championships: Tied at 1 - Frozen Fours: Tied at 2 - NCAA Tournament Appearances: Yale - 6, Union - 4 - Regular Season Conference Titles: Tied at 3 - Conference Tournament Titles: Union - 3, Yale - 2 Through here, they are very similar, but looking more in depth... - All-Americans: Yale - 18, Union - 10 - Hobey Baker Finalists: Yale - 6, Union - 2 - All-Time Winning Percentage: Yale - 49.82%, Union - 44.98% - All-Time Victories: Yale - 1199, Union - 373 I would have Yale over Union...although depending on how you weight certain data it would be close. Again, I'd be very interested to see your criteria on how you got Union over Yale. What I'm going for with these rankings is some balance between historical accomplishments and current state of the program. When it came down to Yale vs. Union, I just felt like Union's accomplishments in 23 seasons at the Division I level outweigh what the Yale Bulldogs have been able to do since 1895. Yale was an independent until 1961, but they have been competing for NCAA championships since the trophy was first awarded in 1948. As I said in today's article, Yale only had two seasons of note (1951-52 and 1997-98) before this recent stretch. History and longevity mean something, but I give the slight edge to Union since they've been to two Frozen Fours in the past three seasons, while Yale's only other appearance came in 1952. Dave Quote
Dave Berger Posted April 15, 2014 Author Posted April 15, 2014 but Hobey Baker finalists and All-Americans is interesting, (Dave please add that info too going forward) I've added Hobey Baker winners and notable former players for each of the five teams in today's article. Hobey Baker finalists and All-Americans might take a bit more digging, but I'll see what I can do. Or if someone else wants to crunch those numbers for the 20 teams under consideration, that would be alright, too. Dave Quote
Dave Berger Posted April 15, 2014 Author Posted April 15, 2014 Dave, I'd like to see a discussion of the jersey-rankings of the 20 NCAA champions. Please get to work on that too. Personally, I think the Lake Superior State jerseys are awfully tough to beat, but the 1987 Sioux might give them a run. Aw, you stole my thunder! That was going to take us through May... Dave Quote
MafiaMan Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Aw, you stole my thunder! That was going to take us through May... Dave Oh, awesome! It'll save me from firing up the "MafiaMan off-season thread" again this spring/summer. I guess I have the Stanley Cup playoffs to occupy my time for a while... Quote
werewolfoflondon Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 I've added Hobey Baker winners and notable former players for each of the five teams in today's article. Hobey Baker finalists and All-Americans might take a bit more digging, but I'll see what I can do. Or if someone else wants to crunch those numbers for the 20 teams under consideration, that would be alright, too. Dave I do hope you include Michigan Tech in your list. A notable player from there that many will not think of is Damian Rhodes. Quote
bigskyvikes Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 I do hope you include Michigan Tech in your list. A notable player from there that many will not think of is Damian Rhodes. Tech won championships, so they should be on the list. Quote
MafiaMan Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Tech won championships, so they should be on the list. Richfield High School! Back when the Spartan hockey program was still something. Great barn to watch a game in. Quote
werewolfoflondon Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Richfield High School! Back when the Spartan hockey program was still something. Great barn to watch a game in. Hockeydb has Damian as having scored a goal. Did he? Quote
MafiaMan Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Hockeydb has Damian as having scored a goal. Did he? Kinda... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8FlBhHjfno Quote
werewolfoflondon Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Kinda... Should have clarified my question. They have him scoring while he was still at Tech. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0004971989.html Anyone? Quote
yzerman19 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 National titles, frozen fours, conference titles, tournament appearances, elite alumni, hobey bakers in that order with heaviest weighting to last 10 years, then 11-20, 20-44, 44+ (taking it back to 1970). 1. Boston College 2. Minnesota 3. UND 4. Wisconsin 5. DU 6. Michigan 7. BU 8. Michigan State 9. Maine 10. Lake State 11. Michigan tech 12. Cornell Quote
Dustin Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 Too early to make predictions for the Top 5? I think the top 3 are pretty obvious!! In no particular order, the top 7 are definitely: North Dakota, Minnesota, Denver, Wisconsin, BC, BU, Michigan Quote
Dustin Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 National titles, frozen fours, conference titles, tournament appearances, elite alumni, hobey bakers in that order with heaviest weighting to last 10 years, then 11-20, 20-44, 44+ (taking it back to 1970). 1. Boston College 2. Minnesota 3. UND 4. Wisconsin 5. DU 6. Michigan 7. BU 8. Michigan State 9. Maine 10. Lake State 11. Michigan tech 12. Cornell HA! I was working on my post while this was being published We came to the same conclusion independently. Quote
Siouxperfan7 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 HA! I was working on my post while this was being published We came to the same conclusion independently. If the title of the rankings is "Storied Programs", you have to have Michigan at the top. Granted, the mojority of their titiles were in the 50's and 60's, Just look at the number of NCAA tournaments appearences and final 4 appearences they have. Also 9>everyone else!! Not trying to a big Wolverine homer, but as far as storied programs go, they are at the top. As far as the rest of the top 5, UND, BC, MN, WI are deffinitely the other 4 in the the top 5 storied programs. The other 4 can be debated as far as order goes, but Michigan probably has to be #1. Quote
yzerman19 Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 I stated my criteria, which favors recent history. This puts Michigan back a little ways. If you don't weight time, then yes, Michigan has to be #1. Quote
Goon Posted April 15, 2014 Posted April 15, 2014 In my opinion, there's no reason for UMN to be a head of UND. 7 > 5... Quote
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