The Sicatoka Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Seems the NCAA is in a game of "who's more Indian" that Spirit Lake can't win. The NCAA took as good enough the opinions of the Florida Seminole Nation, the Utah Ute Nation, and one Chippewa tribe in Michigan. And honestly, they took Standing Rock's opinion over that of Spirit Lake. The NCAA has just said the opinion and tribal council ruling of a soverign nation, the Spirit Lake Sioux Nation, is something that can be completely disregarded by them. The NCAA has just put Spirit Lake at the bottom of the list of who to listen to, and it's not just this issue as tribes both for and against Indian monikers rank ahead of Spirit Lake on who the NCAA will listen to. And honestly, they've put Spirit Lake in a position where this could be used as precedent to ignore Spirit Lake soverign rulings and and opinions in the future. Congratulations NCAA, if your goal was to undercut Spirit Lake's authority, you've succeeded resoundingly. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xI Hammer Ix Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I'm sure this has been covered ad naseum, but why hasn't "Spirit Lake Fighting Sioux" or something of that nature been considered? Is it because of it still being a Native American name? I've been away from the boards for a while, and haven't followed the nickname change debates much. Thanks for quick update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 Seems some, specifically Spirit Lake themselves, have noticed they've been disrespected (and possibly discriminated against) ... and it seems they may be planning to do something about it. http://plainsdaily.com/entry/the-next-little-big-horn-black-cloud-says-ncaas-actions-discriminatory-against-spirit-lake-sioux/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chewey Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Why was UND the only school that had to get more then one tribe's permission? I'd like to hear the NCAA's argument in court on that subject... Good question. As asinine as it sounds, I bet it will be this: "We're the NCAA, a "private" organization, and we can essentially make whatever requirements we want for any one or all of our membership." How the hell this outfit is not broken up is beyond me. Though it's not a telephone company or a utility It's clearly a monopoly given its economic influence. If "Ma Bell" could be broken up in 1984 for competition reasons (and it, too, was a "private" entity), why can't the NCAA? Certainly, the schools and fans and cable companies, etc would be benefited from more competition. Probably just need a few politicians with some spine and who are not well-greased by the money gun -- good luck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackburn87 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 I am so humbled that the our Native American brethren on Spirit Lake see it the way we do. Wouldn't it be something if the NCAA was actually forced to acknowledge them and their claims that the NCAA is the discriminatory actor, not the state of North Dakota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSioux Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 I was in Devils Lakes for the Fort Totten Days activities and my Sioux Pride shirts were very well received. Many who stopped at the booth said they voted for the nickname others said that the use of the name did not bother them - which to me is like a yes vote. I have also sold Sioux Pride shirts to native americans from more than a dozen states. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Frank Black Cloud I hope you give the NCAA hell as they deserve to be punished. The NCAA are nothing but bullies and they don't care who they hurt just as long as its not the big money making schools of the FBS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Why was UND the only school that had to get more then one tribe's permission? I'd like to hear the NCAA's argument in court on that subject... Because that's what UND agreed to. Perhaps the person to ask why they agreed to that term is the state's MIA AG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 Let's look back at the insight of Dr. Charles E. Kupchella: It Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let'sGoHawks! Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Let's look back at the insight of Dr. Charles E. Kupchella: Read more: http://www.uscho.com/2006/06/21/interview-und-president-continues-search-for-a-nickname-solution/#ixzz1VIatN4Kg That was one of the best viewpoints on the issue, I remember lauding CEK when I first read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSioux Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 This week's Sports Illustrates rates as #1 pre-game ceremony the Florida State Seminole pre-game ceremony of a student dressed as a native american riding a horse to the center of the football field and throwing a flaming spear into the ground. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 This week's Sports Illustrates rates as #1 pre-game ceremony the Florida State Seminole pre-game ceremony of a student dressed as a native american riding a horse to the center of the football field and throwing a flaming spear into the ground. Any thoughts? Yeah, "money talks, and bullshiat walks". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 This week's Sports Illustrates rates as #1 pre-game ceremony the Florida State Seminole pre-game ceremony of a student dressed as a native american riding a horse to the center of the football field and throwing a flaming spear into the ground. Any thoughts? This isn't under the NCAA definition of hostile or abusive......duh...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Ah huh, http://www.yardbarke...2478/?gt1=39002 It looks like the NCAA has its watchful eye on all the minutiae in college sports, but it took eight years to realize that schools like Miami (FL) had boosters offering extravagant benefits like large wads of cash, yacht rides and prostitutes. Yeah, that sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux_FF Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 I heard a discussion about this article (from the Atlantic magazine by Taylor Branch) on Sports Talk radio. They were calling it the best article ever written on the state of the NCAA and college sports. Very long, but worth the read. The main premise is that it's time to once again pay college athletes. But, a lot more on how the NCAA operates. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/10/the-shame-of-college-sports/8643/ A litany of scandals in recent years have made the corruption of college sports constant front-page news. We profess outrage each time we learn that yet another student-athlete has been taking money under the table. But the real scandal is the very structure of college sports, wherein student-athletes generate billions of dollars for universities and private companies while earning nothing for themselves. Here, a leading civil-rights historian makes the case for paying college athletes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted September 25, 2011 Author Share Posted September 25, 2011 From the linked source: The NCAA makes money, and enables universities and corporations to make money, from the unpaid labor of young athletes. Slavery analogies should be used carefully. College athletes are not slaves. Yet to survey the scene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 This week's Sports Illustrates rates as #1 pre-game ceremony the Florida State Seminole pre-game ceremony of a student dressed as a native american riding a horse to the center of the football field and throwing a flaming spear into the ground. Any thoughts? So glad to see Clemson take them down yesterday. Their whole schtick is as racist as it comes. It's just proof that the NC$$ is all about the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted September 25, 2011 Author Share Posted September 25, 2011 The best ever parody (exposee?) of the NCAA: http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s15e05-crack-baby-athletic-association Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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